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Re: fuck guns

PostPosted: Tue Sep 03, 2019 9:33 pm
by it's the suspense that gets me
yeah.... i've seen that before but going back to it after typing those thoughts out so i could have them down. comparing it to how i would imagine any sympathetic situation such as the former one i wrote out playing out... i want to believe there's a blindspot in that research because it would at least give some semblance of power over aggressors. it just seems like another one of those situations where i want to believe in something in order to feel some sort of power over a situation (i think this is also the case with anyone that's mentioned an interest in owning a gun in this thread, at least as far as i can tell, i haven't read every page of it.) but the reality is just that there's no easy way to gain control over said situations.

it fuckin' sucks.

Re: fuck guns

PostPosted: Tue Sep 03, 2019 9:37 pm
by wolfie
Guns are a feeling.

Re: fuck guns

PostPosted: Tue Sep 03, 2019 9:38 pm
by wolfie
Walk around with a P226 in your waist next time you go to stop & shop and you'll understand

Re: fuck guns

PostPosted: Tue Sep 03, 2019 10:05 pm
by manvstrees
that feeling is "i'm weak and scared all the time" and the fact that people are cool with advertising this always freaks me out

Re: fuck guns

PostPosted: Tue Sep 03, 2019 10:07 pm
by wolfie
But that's not how they feel with the gun, right?

Re: fuck guns

PostPosted: Tue Sep 03, 2019 10:08 pm
by manvstrees
no they still feel that way

Re: fuck guns

PostPosted: Tue Sep 03, 2019 10:09 pm
by wolfie
I don't think they do. I think they feel powerful, and statistics be damned that's what really matters.

Re: fuck guns

PostPosted: Tue Sep 03, 2019 10:09 pm
by wolfie
Or maybe they do, who knows I don't know anyone who Carrie's a gun

Re: fuck guns

PostPosted: Tue Sep 03, 2019 10:10 pm
by manvstrees
that feeling of power doesn't put them at ease though right
i think they're still observing things at all times as if there might be trouble and also so that they can live out some fantasies
so yeah, scared little pissants (with power)

Re: fuck guns

PostPosted: Tue Sep 03, 2019 10:19 pm
by joe
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Re: fuck guns

PostPosted: Tue Sep 03, 2019 10:21 pm
by mcwop23
it’s hard for me to shit on marginalized groups for feeling a need for having them

that being said i fucking hate them and even feel uneasy when i see a cop with one in their holster

Re: fuck guns

PostPosted: Tue Sep 03, 2019 10:27 pm
by manvstrees
mcwop23 wrote:it’s hard for me to shit on marginalized groups for feeling a need for having them


i admit that i'm only shitting on the people who feel marginalized vs those who actually are

Re: fuck guns

PostPosted: Tue Sep 03, 2019 10:32 pm
by marta
it's not just anecdotal - it's my experience

Re: fuck guns

PostPosted: Wed Sep 04, 2019 12:02 am
by super gas
mcwop23 wrote:it’s hard for me to shit on marginalized groups for feeling a need for having them

that being said i fucking hate them and even feel uneasy when i see a cop with one in their holster


every time i get on a crowded subway train and there is a cop on it and i see his gun i start to freeaaak the fuck out.

Re: fuck guns

PostPosted: Wed Sep 04, 2019 12:07 am
by Jefferson Zeppelin

Re: fuck guns

PostPosted: Wed Sep 04, 2019 6:52 am
by Catullus
People believe a lot of things that seem to make sense but the research doesn't bare out at all. The problem is confirmation bias. They go looking for information to support their side. I try as much as possible to do the opposite-form my opinion from research rather than have an opinion and look for evidence to prove it. But no one is immune to it. It's hardwired into the way our brains work. So if you've grown up around the idea that guns make you safer and that having one will prevent you from being a victim of a crime, you'll think that no matter what evidence is provided. Your feelings will always override that evidence. And since we can't study the issue in depth and widespread, there will never be the body of obvious evidence needed to push for reforms. That's what was needed for cigarettes to get regulated as much as they are. Firearms have a strong enough lobby that who knows if we'll ever be able to get the reforms that we both need and that a grand majority of people clearly want.

Re: fuck guns

PostPosted: Wed Sep 04, 2019 9:19 am
by wolfie
fortunately people will start to come around as more and more of them get shot

maybe more guns really is the answer

Re: fuck guns

PostPosted: Wed Sep 04, 2019 9:20 am
by wolfie
i dont' really mean all these horrible things i say

but man this world

Re: fuck guns

PostPosted: Wed Sep 04, 2019 9:22 am
by DasLofGang
wolfie wrote:fortunately people will start to come around as more and more of them get shot

you're giving people way too much credit

Re: fuck guns

PostPosted: Wed Sep 04, 2019 9:23 am
by wolfie
DasLofGang wrote:
wolfie wrote:fortunately people will start to come around as more and more of them get shot

you're giving people way too much credit


it just hasn't touched people enough

you can turn off the tv. you can't turn off your family disappearing

Re: fuck guns

PostPosted: Wed Sep 04, 2019 9:23 am
by wolfie
just ignore me seriously

Re: fuck guns

PostPosted: Wed Sep 04, 2019 9:24 am
by DasLofGang
America is great at having a hand that is just smoking charred skeleton bone and being like "hmm some say this stove is hot but I'd better keep touching it to make absolutely sure"

Re: fuck guns

PostPosted: Wed Sep 04, 2019 9:41 am
by iambic
super gas wrote:
mcwop23 wrote:it’s hard for me to shit on marginalized groups for feeling a need for having them

that being said i fucking hate them and even feel uneasy when i see a cop with one in their holster


every time i get on a crowded subway train and there is a cop on it and i see his gun i start to freeaaak the fuck out.

yeah, and it's insane-feeling, as a craven euro immigrant, to articulate how bizarro and frightening it is to see a gun in public. or just to be in a society that, to its bones, thinks of violence as necessary, inevitable, and even ennobling (if you're the one doing it)

it's like americans just grew up in this poison gas, hacking up their lungs everywhere, act like having blood and lung chunks everywhere is unavoidable, and all the while shout about the need to add more poison gas to drive out the bad poison gas

Re: fuck guns

PostPosted: Wed Sep 04, 2019 9:47 am
by DasLofGang
but one must admit, we look pretty badass holding the poison gas sideways

Re: fuck guns

PostPosted: Wed Sep 04, 2019 9:53 am
by chandler
Police in Europe more often carry guns than not unless my eyes are mistaken

Re: fuck guns

PostPosted: Wed Sep 04, 2019 9:54 am
by iambic
varies by country. in Ireland and the UK, they don't carry. I didn't see a gun in person until I was 9 and visited portugal on holiday

tbf, my reaction was probably "cool!"

Re: fuck guns

PostPosted: Wed Sep 04, 2019 9:55 am
by chandler
I feel like that's ancient history though (not carrying by default)

Re: fuck guns

PostPosted: Wed Sep 04, 2019 10:48 am
by Catullus
chandler wrote:I feel like that's ancient history though (not carrying by default)


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Police_firearm_use_by_country

Re: fuck guns

PostPosted: Wed Sep 04, 2019 10:50 am
by Catullus
Not a contradiction just an interesting set of data.

Re: fuck guns

PostPosted: Wed Sep 04, 2019 10:54 am
by iambic
Catullus wrote:
chandler wrote:I feel like that's ancient history though (not carrying by default)


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Police_firearm_use_by_country

Since 1916, New Zealand Police have used lethal force 40 times.

whoa