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Postby Automatic » Fri Dec 14, 2012 1:53 pm

Automatic wrote:i told the news to a guy in the office and he said, "so what? 22 kids were stabbed today in china. knives kill more people than guns." pretty :| moment, especially in Canada.

think I'm just gonna take off early and drink until i black out.


update: the .223 is allegedly a "girl's gun" and a .556 is much better.
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Postby Ted Pikul » Fri Dec 14, 2012 1:54 pm

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At what point do we start holding the National Rifle Association morally responsible for all these shootings? At what point do we get over our idiotic national love of guns and start acting like grownups in this country?

Talk about your gun rights all you want. People also have a right not be shot in movie theaters and schools. That’s a right far more important than your ability to own an AK-47.

….It seems that up to 27 people are dead. Wayne LaPierre should be in prison. You are goddamn right I am politicizing this tragedy. The NRA is a criminal organization and should be treated as such. Even if it is 1 person dead.
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Postby -1 baby... :( » Fri Dec 14, 2012 1:54 pm

I can't feel anything.
I'm a huge fucking idiot.
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Postby Poptone » Fri Dec 14, 2012 1:54 pm

universe wrote:This isn't any different from what Roy posts on a normal day


I don't remember her embracing full-on Birch Society-ism, though.
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Postby Feech La Manna » Fri Dec 14, 2012 1:55 pm

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Automatic wrote:i told the news to a guy in the office and he said, "so what? 22 kids were stabbed today in china. knives kill more people than guns." pretty :| moment, especially in Canada.

think I'm just gonna take off early and drink until i black out.


update: the .223 is allegedly a "girl's gun" and a .556 is much better.


yeah I don't know if I'd be able to refrain from spitting in this guy's face
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Postby KALM » Fri Dec 14, 2012 1:55 pm

when i was looking for poll numbers in the other thread about support for gun control, i came across all these articles about this study from mayor bloomberg that showed overwhelming support for common sense measures among gun owners and nra members, and i think it was supposed to be encouraging for gun control advocates but i just kept getting depressed as i went down each item on the list -- like about like the 20% of gun owners that were against ownership restrictions for suspected terrorists -- because ultimately that's still what's standing in the way of even the mildest reforms
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Postby Frippinion » Fri Dec 14, 2012 1:55 pm

Pris wrote:Guy talking about screams over the intercom!? Fuck this


A witness reported that this is how most people first knew something was going on. Jesus fucking Christ! All of those children lost something they'll never get back.
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Postby the scofflaw » Fri Dec 14, 2012 1:55 pm

that chinese stabbing story is so bizarre
A novel by Chuck Palahniuk.
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Postby surly » Fri Dec 14, 2012 1:56 pm

roy, you know you're fuckin up when even addison is being normal and serious in this thread
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Postby wendy » Fri Dec 14, 2012 1:56 pm

Question for board parents: is this something you talk about with your kids? I mean chances are if they're old enough they'll either catch snippets of the news or see a headline or at the very least understand from grown-ups' behavior that Something Bad Has Happened. Like do you try to explain it to them or do you try to protect them from knowing humans are fucking monsters.
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Postby KALM » Fri Dec 14, 2012 1:57 pm

here's some of it

87 percent of NRA members agree that support for Second Amendment rights goes hand-in-hand with keeping guns out of the hands of criminals.
74 percent support requiring criminal background checks of anyone purchasing a gun.
79 percent support requiring gun retailers to perform background checks on all employees.
75 percent believe concealed carry permits should only be granted to applicants who have not committed any violent misdemeanors, including assault.
74 percent believe permits should only be granted to applicants who have completed gun safety training.
71 percent believe people on terror watch lists should be prevented from purchasing guns (actually, this is kind of surprising in how low it ranks).


http://www.businessinsider.com/nra-and-gun-control-poll-gun-owners-colorado-theater-shooting-batman-2012-7#ixzz2F3Q4kEQ2
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Postby addison » Fri Dec 14, 2012 1:58 pm

lloque yupanqui wrote:
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dont be silly. the fact that people are reacting as they are is a fine reason for humans to be around.



we're less likely to be killed by human violence that at any other time in history, so the outliers look more stark

not that thats any consolation of youre a victim, but this shouldnt be an indictment that we're circling the bowl the way some people like to use things like this

also, no offense to you badhat, but this argument--i'm tried of this argument. we have 8 billion people in the world, so naturally statistically it's harder to get killed. we also have the most dangerous weapons in history. and if you look at what we're capable of, technologically, financially, ,and what we're doing (as far as violence, poverty, global warming, etc) i'd say it's a much bigger shame than we realize.
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Postby Amblin » Fri Dec 14, 2012 1:58 pm

the chinese knife thing has spread so quickly
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Postby chapin » Fri Dec 14, 2012 1:58 pm

what the fuck. the parking lot attendant on my college campus told me that they arrested a kid because he was suspected to be bringing weapons with the intent to shoot up the school. apparently it happened an hour before i got there. and now this
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Postby Poptone » Fri Dec 14, 2012 1:59 pm

bread wrote: Like do you try to explain it to them or do you try to protect them from knowing humans are fucking monsters.


I don't have a kid and don't intend on having one, but if I did, the fact that humans are fucking monsters would already have been drilled into their head.
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Postby rask » Fri Dec 14, 2012 2:02 pm

Just gave little Nina the biggest hug before putting her down for her nap.

This makes my heart hurt.
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Postby an otter » Fri Dec 14, 2012 2:04 pm

KALM wrote:here's some of it

87 percent of NRA members agree that support for Second Amendment rights goes hand-in-hand with keeping guns out of the hands of criminals.
74 percent support requiring criminal background checks of anyone purchasing a gun.
79 percent support requiring gun retailers to perform background checks on all employees.
75 percent believe concealed carry permits should only be granted to applicants who have not committed any violent misdemeanors, including assault.
74 percent believe permits should only be granted to applicants who have completed gun safety training.
71 percent believe people on terror watch lists should be prevented from purchasing guns (actually, this is kind of surprising in how low it ranks).


http://www.businessinsider.com/nra-and-gun-control-poll-gun-owners-colorado-theater-shooting-batman-2012-7#ixzz2F3Q4kEQ2


While the missing 25% in all those figures is sad, it's more to the point that most of these rampages aren't carried out by career criminals with distinguishable backgrounds. They're crimes of passion committed by regular civilians that become unscrewed post-purchase. You can't screen for that.
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Postby Bananafish » Fri Dec 14, 2012 2:04 pm

grieving parents of the dead children in ct could also be the type that don't give a fuck that drone strikes are killing children in the middle east. this is why i can't deal with media narratives or the world anymore.
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Postby Pashmina » Fri Dec 14, 2012 2:04 pm

human beings can potentially be monsters.

we have billions of people that are fine.

w/ LB here.
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Postby Robo-Chachi » Fri Dec 14, 2012 2:04 pm

The Onion headline "Nation's Sane People to Nation's Insane People: 'Please Stop Shooting Us'" keeps popping into my head.
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Postby Poptone » Fri Dec 14, 2012 2:05 pm

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bread wrote: Like do you try to explain it to them or do you try to protect them from knowing humans are fucking monsters.


I don't have a kid and don't intend on having one, but if I did, the fact that humans are fucking monsters would already have been drilled into their head.


Sure, plant the seed for isolated paranoia right out of the womb.


You're right, there's no in-between there. I would think attempting to not have your children approach the world completely Pollyanna would be a good thing.
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Postby Ted Pikul » Fri Dec 14, 2012 2:06 pm

Bananafish wrote:grieving parents of the dead children in ct could also be the type that don't give a fuck that drone strikes are killing children in the middle east. this is why i can't deal with media narratives or the world anymore.


What
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Postby ted dibiase » Fri Dec 14, 2012 2:07 pm

wolfie wrote:and some of you guys know this, and a lot of you know this in theory, but as i parent there is one thing that i'm acutely aware of: my kid is completely innocent and un-fucked-up by the world in a way that's hard to comprehend as someone who's been an adult for a while. you want to bottle up their consciousness and distribute it to everyone to remind them what the fuck it's all about.

and these motherfuckers are a) putting bullets in these little childrens' bodies, and if they miss b) destroying the souls of the remaining children in an accelerated fashion that rips away the beauty from their lives irreconcilably. it is absolutely the worst shit in the world any way you cut it. and these fucks get out easy - shot dead themselves, or what, death penalty at best. who fucking cares? everybody loses. there can be no justice.


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Postby This Guy » Fri Dec 14, 2012 2:07 pm

Time to take all the guns. And for those fuckers that won't give them up then I will go get the guns from them. Its time we as a nation to evolve.
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Postby Bananafish » Fri Dec 14, 2012 2:08 pm

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Bananafish wrote:grieving parents of the dead children in ct could also be the type that don't give a fuck that drone strikes are killing children in the middle east. this is why i can't deal with media narratives or the world anymore.


What


i think i'm finally melting down

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Postby Bad Craziness » Fri Dec 14, 2012 2:08 pm

wolfie wrote:and some of you guys know this, and a lot of you know this in theory, but as i parent there is one thing that i'm acutely aware of: my kid is completely innocent and un-fucked-up by the world in a way that's hard to comprehend as someone who's been an adult for a while. you want to bottle up their consciousness and distribute it to everyone to remind them what the fuck it's all about.

and these motherfuckers are a) putting bullets in these little childrens' bodies, and if they miss b) destroying the souls of the remaining children in an accelerated fashion that rips away the beauty from their lives irreconcilably. it is absolutely the worst shit in the world any way you cut it. and these fucks get out easy - shot dead themselves, or what, death penalty at best. who fucking cares? everybody loses. there can be no justice.


I've been thinking a lot lately about this. I'll be getting married next year and I want to have kids and I already know that it changes everything about yourself and the world.

I really appreciate the way you expressed this because the more I think about it the more I realize it's going to be one of the most important things about being alive/growing up
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Postby Robo-Chachi » Fri Dec 14, 2012 2:09 pm

CBS talking about kids in piles. I think I'm good on live coverage now.
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Postby an otter » Fri Dec 14, 2012 2:09 pm

Automatic wrote:i told the news to a guy in the office and he said, "so what? 22 kids were stabbed today in china. knives kill more people than guns." pretty :| moment, especially in Canada.

think I'm just gonna take off early and drink until i black out.


But none of the stabbing victims died, allegedly. I'd lose my shit on this guy.
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Postby Bad Craziness » Fri Dec 14, 2012 2:11 pm

Mostly I feel kind of numb to this. I saw the headline on my phone at breakfast and my gut reaction was that it's not all that shocking at this point. I feel kind of guilty about not reacting more, but typing things like "oh my god" on here or facebook or whatever, doesn't do anything for me.

Then again, I'm only reading text about it. I don't have a TV and it seems like I can't bring myself to look at any pictures so
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Postby the scofflaw » Fri Dec 14, 2012 2:13 pm

Robo-Chachi wrote:CBS talking about kids in piles. I think I'm good on live coverage now.


the twitter feed of the principle was just gut-wrenching and one of those moments where i needed to just stop and take a walk.
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