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Postby number none » Sat Jan 26, 2019 2:17 pm

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2019/jan/26/john-humphrys-suggests-ireland-could-quit-eu-and-join-uk

Questioned about the possibility by the BBC Today presenter John Humphrys, Ireland’s Europe minister, Helen McEntee, said it was not contemplating quitting the EU, that polls showed 92% of the population wanted to remain in the bloc, and “Irexit” was not plausible.

Humphrys said: “There has to be an argument, doesn’t there, that says instead of Dublin telling this country that we have to stay in the single market etc within the customs union, why doesn’t Dublin, why doesn’t the Republic of Ireland, leave the EU and throw in their lot with this country?”


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Postby gallits » Sat Jan 26, 2019 8:08 pm

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Postby Kenny » Mon Jan 28, 2019 10:07 am

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Postby number none » Tue Jan 29, 2019 3:52 pm

lol at these fucking jokers
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Postby delgriffith » Tue Jan 29, 2019 4:17 pm

Catching up on the day's events and I'm not sure I've ever been more embarrassed to be British.
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Postby big zorb » Tue Jan 29, 2019 4:31 pm

del can you very briefly sum up what the hell happened today, it's hard for me to parse not knowing all the players in the game super intimately
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Postby big zorb » Tue Jan 29, 2019 4:35 pm

i think i am struggling to understand the backstop situation in particular
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Postby Bartatua » Tue Jan 29, 2019 4:39 pm

I don't have a great handle on the backstop either, does anyone know of a good writeup on that?
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Postby big zorb » Tue Jan 29, 2019 4:41 pm

i've read that bbc primer a couple times but it still seems very uk-centric

from what i can understand:

good friday agreement keeps an open border between northern ireland and ROI and the backstop continues this, which everyone wants, but the EU also says it can only apply to the land border, which means customs checks and all of that for anything coming through the irish sea? is that even remotely accurate?
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Postby Geoff » Tue Jan 29, 2019 4:47 pm

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Postby deadbass » Tue Jan 29, 2019 4:49 pm

The backstop is sort of the last option for the Irish border (border between Northern Ireland and Republic of Ireland), which is to leave it open essentially as it is now. If goods pass through the border currently, they don't need to be checked because they're passing between two EU countries. After Brexit, people still obviously want the border to be as porous as possible, but if they use the backstop, then goods will need to be inspected when they cross the Irish Sea. This would mean if things are being sent from England to Northern Ireland, they'd also need to be inspected, which is a huge hassle given that Northern Ireland is part of the UK. This would mean that the UK is still bound to some of the EU's economic trading rules in ways that obviously weren't the intent of Brexit, and it also means that Northern Ireland will be treated differently from the rest of Britain.

My understanding is that this is one of the major sticking points in rewriting the deal, but they refused to delay the exit date any further. So they have like 60 days to figure all this shit out. (please anyone correct me if I'm wrong, I was just kind of going over it lightly during lunch)
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Postby Pokemon Mastah » Tue Jan 29, 2019 5:09 pm

sleepwalking into a no-deal brexit
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Postby Bartatua » Tue Jan 29, 2019 6:10 pm

thanks for that response deadbass
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Postby murderhorn » Tue Jan 29, 2019 6:20 pm

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Postby murderhorn » Wed Jan 30, 2019 2:58 am

delgriffith wrote:

Cheers for The Matrix analogy, Ian.


It was like the start of the Lion King. Late last night, just as the Brexit news settled for the evening, a new child was born. It would grow up to become a great king, to unite warring tribes. The music started, the sun began to rise, and it was lifted into the air to the sound of trumpets.


Firstly, it allows Singham to pretend that May would just take this and plop it on Michel Barnier's desk, at which point he'd read it like Marcellus Wallace opening that suitcase in Pulp Fiction, realise its startling beauty, and instantly sign-off on it in a moment of quasi-orgasmic intellectual rapture.

http://www.politics.co.uk/blogs/2019/01/29/desperate-new-tory-brexit-compromise-is-as-pitiful-as-all-th
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Postby murderhorn » Wed Jan 30, 2019 3:06 am

backstop was also the UK government's idea, the solution they came up with to respect their own "red line" on the Irish border, which the government has now voted to discard as unworkable and also punitive on the part of the EU
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Postby Kenny » Wed Jan 30, 2019 5:08 am

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Postby murderhorn » Wed Jan 30, 2019 6:37 am

I went to this panel at Goldsmith's last night which was more of a 25-min speech by Will Hutton followed by every other person at the table agreeing that Brexit is a disaster and all that. it was basically an update of his Guardian comment where he cites figures related to child poverty life expectancy etc and then talks about how calamitous it will be to leave the EU from which is devised some hasty prescription which will involve "combining a campaign to stay in the EU with a campaign to change Britain" (https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2018/aug/19/bad-news-is-were-dying-earlier-in-britain-down-to-shit-life-syndrome)

didn't make me feel better or better informed about anything but the undergrads sitting next to me had brought Tyskies to drink which was pretty charming
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Postby Feech La Manna » Wed Jan 30, 2019 9:29 am

Kenny wrote:


A nice preview still
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Postby mcwop23 » Wed Jan 30, 2019 8:22 pm

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Postby acidity regulator » Thu Jan 31, 2019 6:29 am

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wow. she needs AOC pwnage training for twitter and she'll be our illustrious leader of socialist europe. I'm ready although I've only seen this one clip and a few tweets
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Postby big zorb » Thu Jan 31, 2019 9:51 am

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Postby murderhorn » Mon Feb 04, 2019 5:17 am

had enough of her really
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Postby Geoff » Mon Feb 04, 2019 5:43 am

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Postby murderhorn » Mon Feb 04, 2019 6:05 am

media star accuses labour leadership of PR posturing and insufficient political canniness
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Postby Kenny » Mon Feb 04, 2019 6:18 am

How much credence should we put in a centrist breakaway from Labour. Seems like terrible timing and also just a bad idea in general
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Postby chimp » Mon Feb 04, 2019 6:46 am

Honestly I think there probably is a constituency for that party, especially if they are strongly opposed to Brexit (which I suppose is a given at this point).
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