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Postby marta » Wed Dec 04, 2019 10:25 am

they couldn't come up with a single new idea huh
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Postby odilon redon » Wed Dec 04, 2019 10:29 am

Lucky wrote:that shot of the all the people in red doing something in a sewer (?) with all those lights looked good


that was the exact shot i was referring to as the only one i liked

on second thought i also dig the vague eyes wide shut vibes
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Postby Paul » Wed Dec 04, 2019 10:29 am

This looks like it belongs in the Brosnan era. Lots of cheese.
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Postby neuartillery » Wed Dec 04, 2019 10:48 am

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Hardcoded subs is an interesting aesthetic choice, I'll give them that!
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Postby Smiling Penner-Lite » Wed Dec 04, 2019 10:59 am

If the point of the trailer was to make me want to watch an MI, then Mission Accomplished
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Postby Cone » Wed Dec 04, 2019 12:35 pm

This looks sick as hell.

Was he hanging out at the Goldeneye estate in a couple of those shots?
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Postby badhat » Wed Dec 04, 2019 12:36 pm

is it fair to say that bond used to be more about competency porn and gadgets and attractive people and places and hammy villains and like every once in a while there would be one where bond’s past would come back to haunt him or he’d fuck up or start feeling old and it’d be personal instead of him saving the world but lately theyve been making the plots be *about* bond a lot more often and that makes the whole thing sorta emo and boring?
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Postby Rainbow Battle Kid » Wed Dec 04, 2019 12:42 pm

same thing happened on the Sherlock show imo
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Postby pana » Wed Dec 04, 2019 12:44 pm

and Batman 66
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Postby Cone » Wed Dec 04, 2019 12:49 pm

I'm pretty tired of the whole "Bond vs. MI-6" concept. Like yeah he goes a little rogue in every movie because that's his thing but they always play up the scenes where M puts out a burn notice on him as if it's not just a thing that happens every time he gets sent on a mission.
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Postby saranclaps » Wed Dec 04, 2019 1:20 pm

odilon redon wrote:yeah there was exactly one shot in that trailer that looked cool to me

*extremely saranclaps voice* they should bring back roger deakins
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Postby saranclaps » Wed Dec 04, 2019 1:21 pm

bond should go rouge instead of rogue
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Postby Canadian Todd (for Canadians) » Wed Dec 04, 2019 1:22 pm

these bond things are a p big blinder for me but i remember watching the first hour of skyfall, thinking it looked real pretty, and that it was p much put together in a v. focus-tested, r&d'd way to pick up dark knight vibe and potential oscar points with deakins shooting it. but it's so long and broody dude with surrogate mommy issues made by teh fucking jarhead/american beauty hack is kidna hard to stomach.

but if you're going to be that kind of shit director, i'd ratehr you go in on some fun/classed up genre shit. i don't think i get james bond tho
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Postby badhat » Wed Dec 04, 2019 1:23 pm

its gonna be funny when rami malik is dreadful this too
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Postby Canadian Todd (for Canadians) » Wed Dec 04, 2019 1:25 pm

was "the animal" dave batista good in spectre?

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Postby Riverchrist » Wed Dec 04, 2019 1:28 pm

Are we getting a Stormzy theme song or what.
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Postby Shotfrog » Wed Dec 04, 2019 1:28 pm

He wasn't wearing tiny glasses but he was still pretty good.
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Postby Spoilt Victorian Child » Wed Dec 04, 2019 1:48 pm

badhat wrote:is it fair to say that bond used to be more about competency porn and gadgets and attractive people and places and hammy villains and like every once in a while there would be one where bond’s past would come back to haunt him or he’d fuck up or start feeling old and it’d be personal instead of him saving the world but lately theyve been making the plots be *about* bond a lot more often and that makes the whole thing sorta emo and boring?

It's funny because it's the same thing every superhero went through in the '80s (suddenly getting treated as a human with a past and a psychology as opposed to a mythological vessel for campy adventures) but they waited until even mainstream film audiences were almost completely tired of it. But Craig was such a fresh take on the character and the Brosnan movies were so awful that it worked anyway. Now we're 11 years into an era where people expect action movies to have a sense of humor so I guess at this point they're just going to wait it out.
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Postby badhat » Wed Dec 04, 2019 1:56 pm

i guess the other part of it wrt bond in particular (and maybe as a way to reckon with the fascism inherent in superheroism?) is it would probably be tough to do a bond movie in 2020 that wasnt at least ambivalent and conflicted about empire and patriotism and bond himself has to be the vessel for that ambivalence or he’s not the hero.
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Postby Poptone » Wed Dec 04, 2019 2:01 pm

Spoilt Victorian Child wrote:
badhat wrote:is it fair to say that bond used to be more about competency porn and gadgets and attractive people and places and hammy villains and like every once in a while there would be one where bond’s past would come back to haunt him or he’d fuck up or start feeling old and it’d be personal instead of him saving the world but lately theyve been making the plots be *about* bond a lot more often and that makes the whole thing sorta emo and boring?

It's funny because it's the same thing every superhero went through in the '80s (suddenly getting treated as a human with a past and a psychology as opposed to a mythological vessel for campy adventures) but they waited until even mainstream film audiences were almost completely tired of it. But Craig was such a fresh take on the character and the Brosnan movies were so awful that it worked anyway. Now we're 11 years into an era where people expect action movies to have a sense of humor so I guess at this point they're just going to wait it out.


This is definitively Craig's last outing so I wouldn't be too sure on that.

Part of the problem with the approach Badhat outlined above is that it makes it harder to just recast and continue on in the same mold, so perhaps a change of direction is in store.

That said, this looks totally fun and cool enough for a Bond nerd like me. (Even if expectations are diminished in the wake of Spectre)
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Postby Rainbow Battle Kid » Wed Dec 04, 2019 2:30 pm

i still haven't seen Spectre but it's pretty telling that they passed on that sick radiohead track
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Postby Poptone » Wed Dec 04, 2019 2:31 pm

Rainbow Battle Kid wrote:i still haven't seen Spectre but it's pretty telling that they passed on that sick radiohead track


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Postby Canadian Todd (for Canadians) » Wed Dec 04, 2019 5:10 pm

p interesting points by svc. this all takes place in a backdrop where marvel movie centrism is deliberately constructed on a foundation in which they attack generic concepts of "anti-freedom" or "surveillance state" but that just means an evil deep state (hydra) within the global theater whose surveliance tactics are to build a big war ship that can shoot targeted dissidents from the skies or some shit.

marvel has used aliens as stand-ins for what would have been eastern europe, middle eastern or some other boogeyman foreign power so as to not alienate the increasingly important international audiences. you have chris evans encouraged to say he sees captain america not as a pro-american but as a global steward in press junkets. how do you have some ubermensch proxy for empire itself in that kind of climate. svc saying you turn to carving out some sort of conflicted interiority for bond seems right. but so does the mild PTSD angle they've started, which should prolly be brought to the fore.
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Postby Mr Spaceship » Wed Dec 04, 2019 5:20 pm

Skyfall was awesome, the last one was so boring it made me think this series should be retired
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Postby Spoilt Victorian Child » Wed Dec 04, 2019 5:36 pm

Canadian Todd (for Canadians) wrote:p interesting points by svc. this all takes place in a backdrop where marvel movie centrism is deliberately constructed on a foundation in which they attack generic concepts of "anti-freedom" or "surveillance state" but that just means an evil deep state (hydra) within the global theater whose surveliance tactics are to build a big war ship that can shoot targeted dissidents from the skies or some shit.

marvel has used aliens as stand-ins for what would have been eastern europe, middle eastern or some other boogeyman foreign power so as to not alienate the increasingly important international audiences. you have chris evans encouraged to say he sees captain america not as a pro-american but as a global steward in press junkets. how do you have some ubermensch proxy for empire itself in that kind of climate. svc saying you turn to carving out some sort of conflicted interiority for bond seems right. but so does the mild PTSD angle they've started, which should prolly be brought to the fore.

If anything I think Marvel may have stolen that playbook from Bond. As incredible as it seems, I'm not sure Bond is ever directly opposed by an actual foreign power. It's pretty much always SPECTRE or something equally ridiculous. Even From Russia with Love is about SPECTRE trying to get MI6 and SMERSH to fuck each other up (this is their general MO iirc).
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Postby furrowed brow » Wed Dec 04, 2019 5:54 pm

How exactly are action movies supposed to exist if big purple guy who looks like alien Joss Whedon is somehow actually a stand in for the global south or whatever? Todd you talk about these things as though you’d prefer a situation where the avengers were just slaughtering brown people (I mean Iron Man isn’t too far off from this) because like it’s more honest? (Edit: sorry, this sounds harsh, the way i put it, not trying to imply that you do believe this). How does any movie where protagonists use violence to solve problems exist in a way that’s not fascist? Personally I wouldn’t mind if we did away with this convention all together but given your taste in movies I’d have to believe you would.
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Postby furrowed brow » Wed Dec 04, 2019 5:57 pm

Or do you just make the “protagonist” the bad guy but then you still have audiences indulging in the vicarious pleasure of the violence they dole out, which to me is always about as big of a CinemaSin as one can commit
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Postby furrowed brow » Wed Dec 04, 2019 6:13 pm

But yeah, I mean I do get how this like supernational organization of heroes tasked with protecting the Earth from Threats is pretty :? especially when produced by US based studios
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Postby Poptone » Tue Jan 14, 2020 12:03 pm

i'm definitely cool with this

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Postby Cone » Tue Jan 14, 2020 12:26 pm

Of course it is
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