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Postby light rail coyote » Tue Feb 05, 2019 12:44 am

Feech La Manna wrote:What is the point of cooking up conspiracy theories about a candidate as awful as Tulsi. Just point out she is awful.


you'd really think that her very well-documented ties to the BJP would be enough
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Postby Ferrous Bueller » Tue Feb 05, 2019 7:50 am

seems like a pretty tough lift to get americans to know or care about hindu chauvinism
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Postby RIXX » Tue Feb 05, 2019 8:44 am

laserblast wrote:oh cool andy sully is out with some new transphobic bullshit

omg just read this essay. shame on nymag for putting out this hateful trash. he tries to obfuscate his blatant transphobia with the flimsiest, most illogical arguments and contradicts himself multiple times throughout. what an idiot, i wish i could take back the ten minutes i spent reading it
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Postby cartola » Tue Feb 05, 2019 8:54 am

object wrote:

bananas

Wow.

U mean like wtf is Glenn talking about living in a banana Republic?
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Postby Frank » Tue Feb 05, 2019 1:31 pm

Benny Johnson getting fired from the DC for plagiarism is not a plot-twist I saw coming lol
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Postby Feech La Manna » Tue Feb 05, 2019 2:03 pm

HOLY SHIT AHAHAHAHAHAHA
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Postby Feech La Manna » Tue Feb 05, 2019 2:04 pm

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
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Postby Feech La Manna » Tue Feb 05, 2019 2:20 pm

The only sad thing is there are places that will still hire him. Hello, The Federalist.
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Postby coop » Tue Feb 05, 2019 2:23 pm

Benny is the Michael Jordan of getting fired
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Postby Frank » Tue Feb 05, 2019 4:22 pm

he should go to the gateway pundit
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Postby surly » Wed Feb 06, 2019 4:27 pm



lololololololololololol
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Postby light rail coyote » Wed Feb 06, 2019 4:49 pm

had to explain benny to my coworkers because I broke out laughing when I saw that
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Postby Frank » Wed Feb 06, 2019 5:09 pm

fuck that’s even better than the gateway pundit
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Postby Feech La Manna » Wed Feb 06, 2019 5:16 pm

just the biggest fucking loser
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Postby Frank » Wed Feb 06, 2019 6:01 pm

Charlie: I’ll give you a million dollars a year.
Benny: Not enough.
Charlie: you can plagiarize at will
Benny: when do I start?
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Postby Feech La Manna » Wed Feb 06, 2019 7:19 pm

That quote everyone was passing around yesterday where she said she didn't need to use a recorder was pretty cringey
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Postby Frank » Wed Feb 06, 2019 9:00 pm

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Postby KPH » Wed Feb 06, 2019 10:28 pm

jfc
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Postby Frank » Wed Feb 06, 2019 10:50 pm

ratio

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Postby shirts optional » Thu Feb 07, 2019 12:57 am

surly wrote:

lololololololololololol



:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
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Postby Frank » Thu Feb 07, 2019 3:19 pm

her book was going to be half citations and footnotes

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Postby Frank » Thu Feb 07, 2019 3:21 pm

how do you cite quotations that you literally reworded
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Postby Feech La Manna » Thu Feb 07, 2019 4:37 pm

jesus is this whole book like this

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Postby Feech La Manna » Thu Feb 07, 2019 4:37 pm

"asset" Chris Cillizza
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Postby death is my amigo » Fri Feb 08, 2019 12:27 am

Can a Journalist as Important as Jill Abramson Be a Plagiarist?

If he’s a poorly informed law professor, though, Sprigman is well suited to be an elite journalist. His defense of Abramson is the classic big-timer’s defense against evidence of plagiarism: she couldn’t be guilty of stealing other people’s work, because other people’s work doesn’t matter. What she duplicated were “basic facts”—which is an easy thing to say, after someone else has gone out and collected and organized those facts. The message is that the sentences Abrams stole weren’t good enough as writing to count as stolen property (though they were good enough to put down in a book as if they had been her own writing).
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The boilerplate or “basic facts” excuse is unconvincing—at best, it’s epistemological fraud, presenting someone else’s selection of facts as a sample of the writer’s own knowledge—but high-end journalists embrace it because it’s shaped by a structural truth: whether or not there are separate classes of writing, with separate value, there are definitely separate classes of writers.


btw, pareene correctly predicted her defense about as soon as this all came out:



about which scocca says:

One unclear point around Abramson’s plagiarism is exactly how many layers of other people’s work were involved. Erik Wemple of the Washington Post reported that in the acknowledgments of Merchants of Truth, Abramson wrote that an assistant “drafted portions of this book.” If she has to, she can always say she presented someone else’s writing as her own, without knowing that that person was passing off a third person’s writing as their own.

And that should be enough to settle it. Famous writers are factories, and a factory can always find somewhere to dump its mess. The little people just have to live with being dumped on.
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Postby endless dave » Fri Feb 08, 2019 3:28 pm

what a weird level of flippancy here. "Yeah, I did plagiarism but if I didn't, I would have had to think a little bit how to make it sound not so clunky so... [shurgs]"

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Postby Feech La Manna » Fri Feb 08, 2019 3:31 pm

tbh I still can't get over calling Cillizza an "asset"
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Postby endless dave » Fri Feb 08, 2019 3:36 pm

the Vox interview makes it clear that she either doesn't get what's wrong about plagiarism as an ethical consideration or she has a vague enough definition of it that's basically pointless

I guess it makes sense for someone who likely outsourced a lot of labor for the book to think that all she did was not add quotation marks in the right places. Like she's built a career or taking credit for other people's work so she must be so confused as to why are people so upset about she think is just lazy copy editing
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