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Postby powderfinger » Thu May 21, 2020 3:54 pm

I tend to believe what she says about her parents' culpability in terms of actual criminal activity. If these people were brought in on visas tied to a particular job, they probably would be at serious risk of deportation if they stated freelance job hunting. The business sounds real scummy but I also don't know anything about the moral line between exploitation-bordering-on-human-trafficking and "legitimate" immigrant job placement services in that context. It's easy for me to read about it and be appalled but I genuinely don't know how those businesses are or should be run. I would now like to read more about it. She did herself no favors by refusing to grapple with that.
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Postby struttin' evil mushroom » Thu May 21, 2020 4:04 pm

it's not fair to expect objectivity in a straight news story, let alone on jia dot blog. but it is fair to expect thoroughness and care when an author (a staff writer at the new yorker!) goes out of their way to frame their story as an act of reporting, however incomplete -- based on court records, etc. you can't do that and then fail to address or contextualize all the worst stuff in the court records; or, rather, you can, but the stakes are a bit too high to do that with a straight face, i think

there is no good answer for her, of course: if you are a person who exists in media, especially online/putatively progressive media, you probably can't just let this drop, particularly if your success is based on, whoa, deeply personal essays. but of all the bad options -- actually ignoring it; acknowledging the chatter but not its substance ('it's personal'); writing a good-faith response to bad-faith accusations -- it seems like she chose the worst one

that said, tbh, it's also probably what i would have done
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Postby Feech La Manna » Wed May 27, 2020 10:23 am



ahaha
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Postby coop » Wed May 27, 2020 10:44 am

puh?
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Postby LaAbeja » Sun May 31, 2020 4:41 pm

Looking for a list of police on journo violence/arrests, this thread is really good:

https://twitter.com/jane_c_hu/status/12 ... 0684108800

Anyone know of any missing? Or any other lists that are good?
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Postby brent » Wed Jun 03, 2020 7:35 pm


ahhhhhhhhhh
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Postby Feech La Manna » Thu Jun 04, 2020 10:59 am





there is something incredibly wrong with this man
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Postby surly » Thu Jun 04, 2020 11:05 am

he realizes this obtuse tweeting is just gonna lead to whichever vox employees have been keeping their complaints private to blast him in public now, right?
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Postby razzle » Thu Jun 04, 2020 11:11 am

Was MIchael Tracey from the Exile?

Everyone online has an opinion on him
At least we have
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Postby Feech La Manna » Thu Jun 04, 2020 11:14 am

iirc he was on everyone's radar during the 2016 election for being a dumb contrarian "leftist" account and then he really blew up during the whole Maxine Waters thing
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Postby light rail coyote » Thu Jun 04, 2020 5:30 pm

the fuck is going on today
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Postby auspice » Fri Jun 05, 2020 4:21 am

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Postby ecto » Fri Jun 05, 2020 9:11 am

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Postby surly » Fri Jun 05, 2020 9:13 am

well then
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Postby struttin' evil mushroom » Fri Jun 05, 2020 9:28 am

there is a certain kind of person who sees every criticism as validation. it takes what i imagine is an exhausting amount of mental gymnastics so they all have to stick together for strength
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Postby surly » Fri Jun 05, 2020 9:33 am

on the contrary, i think it's far easier to declare everyone else wrong than examine why your brain is so fucking broken
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Postby Feech La Manna » Fri Jun 05, 2020 9:50 am

I knew our friend had questionable politics but I thought he was at least smarter than that
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Postby Feech La Manna » Fri Jun 05, 2020 9:51 am

This made me laugh pretty hard

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Postby struttin' evil mushroom » Fri Jun 05, 2020 10:11 am

Feech La Manna wrote:I knew our friend had questionable politics but I thought he was at least smarter than that


i think you got it backwards: his politics as far as i could tell are 'fine' if to the right of most boarders now, and he was and i'm sure is funny/kind IRL

he just had journalist brain
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Postby struttin' evil mushroom » Fri Jun 05, 2020 10:21 am

i won't belabor it because i've written about it ad nauseam here (though those posts are probably lost to wipes) but i also had journalism brain all through college; the j-schools really beat it into you and if you work on your college paper it's basically a co-ed frat and you invent a lot of reasons to feel like people aren't in solidarity with you

but man once you start working and see how shit actually works it just gets beaten out of you so quickly if you are at all a socially conscious person. most folks can't deal with it and quit pretty early on. i always admire the ones who stay and try to take it on from the inside. that is incredible, exhausting emotional labor.

and then i guess you have a few people who really believe it, deep down, and hell say what you will but at least it's an ethos. the problem is it's basically an evolutionarily advantageous trait for various reasons (not least of which is that the most powerful people in journalism almost exclusively come from elite institutions, if not elite/privileged backgrounds, so of course a certain degree of self-confidence is valued, as is a certain degree of refusing to challenge the tenets of the previous generation of elite journalists; also, being a contrarian sells!) so it appears most frequently in the most powerful journos
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Postby Celiac » Fri Jun 05, 2020 10:22 am

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Postby alaska » Fri Jun 05, 2020 10:26 am

ecto wrote:Image

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Postby alaska » Fri Jun 05, 2020 10:27 am

struttin' evil mushroom wrote:i won't belabor it because i've written about it ad nauseam here (though those posts are probably lost to wipes) but i also had journalism brain all through college; the j-schools really beat it into you and if you work on your college paper it's basically a co-ed frat and you invent a lot of reasons to feel like people aren't in solidarity with you

but man once you start working and see how shit actually works it just gets beaten out of you so quickly if you are at all a socially conscious person. most folks can't deal with it and quit pretty early on. i always admire the ones who stay and try to take it on from the inside. that is incredible, exhausting emotional labor.

and then i guess you have a few people who really believe it, deep down, and hell say what you will but at least it's an ethos. the problem is it's basically an evolutionarily advantageous trait for various reasons (not least of which is that the most powerful people in journalism almost exclusively come from elite institutions, if not elite/privileged backgrounds, so of course a certain degree of self-confidence is valued, as is a certain degree of refusing to challenge the tenets of the previous generation of elite journalists; also, being a contrarian sells!) so it appears most frequently in the most powerful journos


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Postby struttin' evil mushroom » Fri Jun 05, 2020 10:38 am

if journalism schools actually cared about fulfilling a social mission they would close shop. they serve primarily as a feeder program where editors at elite institutions can hire 21-year-olds fresh out of elite institutions

you can learn what you need to learn in less than a half-dozen classes: reporting/editing 101 [this includes digital media], media law, and a specialist class or two (TV/audio/photo/design, or business/enviro reporting, whatever). comms/mass media study is obviously extraordinarily important and i'm not saying get rid of any of that, but if you want to be an actual reporter you should take a handful of classes, get a certification/minor, and be forced to major in something that actually teaches you about the world

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Postby light rail coyote » Fri Jun 05, 2020 10:40 am

struttin' evil mushroom wrote:
Feech La Manna wrote:I knew our friend had questionable politics but I thought he was at least smarter than that


i think you got it backwards: his politics as far as i could tell are 'fine' if to the right of most boarders now, and he was and i'm sure is funny/kind IRL

he just had journalist brain


i don't necessarily think that "journalist brain" and "bad politics" are separate things.
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Postby light rail coyote » Fri Jun 05, 2020 10:41 am

you can have all kinds of seemingly progressive positions but if your main mode of interacting with the world is defending bad faith actors, then your good progressive positions are irrelevant.
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Postby surly » Fri Jun 05, 2020 10:46 am

well a big feature of journalist brain is blindness to bad faith action
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Postby surly » Fri Jun 05, 2020 10:47 am

that said, the absolute explosion of outrage from within NYT over the cotton piece suggests maybe things are changing a bit!
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Postby light rail coyote » Fri Jun 05, 2020 10:57 am

i dunno, i didn't post here with murray as long as other people did but he always struck me as basically having the same personality disposition as ben shapiro, just with supposedly progressive politics in the sense that he's one of the most bad faith people i've ever seen here, right up to his famous "we need more clay" post in defense of keeping dalen while women and queer boarders were saying that he was harassing people

that's seperate from the larger question, obviously.
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Postby struttin' evil mushroom » Fri Jun 05, 2020 11:01 am

surly wrote:well a big feature of journalist brain is blindness to bad faith action


it's not blindness so much as it is a belief, bordering on religion (and, if i can editorialize, bordering on obsequiousness) that it is not the journalist's job to litigate bad faith and/or cruelty (this also explains his dalen opinions imo!)

but yes, this. also lrc, i am trying not to talk too ill of someone who isn't here to defend themselves and who has had this exact argument with me many times before they ghosted, though who knows, maybe he talks shit about hpn on his various slacks
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