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Postby Amblin » Tue Jan 28, 2014 2:14 pm

yeah I agree

plus Nate will have all the ESPN stuff going on too

I wonder if he is going to be a regular on the Stephanopoulos round tables with George, Cokie and the gang in 2015-2016
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Postby WAC » Tue Jan 28, 2014 2:36 pm

Who are the next hires in our Project X fantasy draft :ugeek: :twisted:
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Postby husbands » Tue Jan 28, 2014 2:44 pm

catherine rampell -> Washington Post editorial page

seems like a pretty shallow attempt to look like the post is shaking things up
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Postby genghis sean » Tue Jan 28, 2014 2:52 pm

WAC wrote:Who are the next hires in our Project X fantasy draft :ugeek: :twisted:


occasional editorials from melissa harris-perry would just be a cherry on this cake.

this cake is made with turds. it is a turd cake.
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Postby WAC » Tue Jan 28, 2014 2:58 pm

Sean you really got your finger on the pulse of the modern American liberal project
He said ALOT of shit last night. And most of it WASN'T how he supported a fascist.
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Postby powderfinger » Tue Jan 28, 2014 3:00 pm

I bet they hire Julian Sanchez to cover privacy stuff.
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Postby WAC » Tue Jan 28, 2014 3:08 pm

Ed Schultz for labor
Coffee Scarborough for Chris Christie and hot beverage news
Alex Wagner for DC power couple news
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Postby genghis sean » Tue Jan 28, 2014 3:22 pm

WAC wrote:Sean you really got your finger on the pulse of the modern American liberal project


there is a modern american liberal project? could have fooled me...
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Postby Amblin » Tue Jan 28, 2014 3:23 pm

WAC wrote:Ed Schultz for labor


Let's get to Wonk!
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Postby genghis sean » Tue Jan 28, 2014 3:34 pm

but if the question is “Is it time to get to wonk?” the answer is “Hell yeah.”
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Postby Amblin » Tue Jan 28, 2014 3:49 pm

does dylan byers read my posts

Ezra Klein and Nate Silver have some things in common: They’re both smart, young, innovative and analytical journalists with devoted followings who, when offered the chance to launch their own ventures, left the nation’s leading newspapers to do so.

The similarities pretty much end there.

When Klein announced he would be departing The Washington Post for a new venture with Vox Media, it was heralded as just the latest example of a brand-name star outgrowing a legacy media institution. Klein’s name was immediately lumped in with the likes of Silver, who took his popular FiveThirtyEight blog from The New York Times to ESPN, and Kate Swisher and Walt Mossberg, who moved their tech news vertical from The Wall Street Journal to NBC Universal.

But Ezra Klein is not Nate Silver, and Vox Media is not ESPN. And sweeping generalizations about the new wave of personal-brand journalism ignore the unique circumstances each of these journalists face when striking out on their own.

The two men are friends and mutual fans — “Ezra and I have had several great conversations over the years. I consider him a friend, but I’m sure we’d hang out more often if we lived in the same city,” Silver told POLITICO. Silver, who came to political forecasting from baseball metrics, described himself as “a huge admirer of Ezra’s journalism.” Klein, who declined to comment for this piece, once praised Silver’s “innovations” as a journalist.

Here’s a look at the two and their differing projects:

The name

Klein, 29, and his wife, Annie Lowery, of the Times, are, for a younger generation of Beltway insiders, Washington royalty. So when his intentions to leave the Post became known, it was all D.C. media types could talk about. And, to be sure, there was a devoted national following who knew Klein’s work — from the Post, from MSNBC, from Bloomberg View, or from his occasional New Yorker article — who were probably shocked to see a writer they loved leaving for a digital media company they’d probably never heard of. But outside those bubbles — what you might call Washington and greater Washington — few people cared.

Compare that with Silver, 36, who has become a household name in some quarters and is synonymous with the political forecasting industry. (Silver, who is gay — in 2012 he was named “Person of the Year” by Out Magazine — is not married.) In the 24 hours that followed the 2012 presidential election, sales of his book skyrocketed by 850-percent on Amazon.com. One week later, The Hollywood Reporter revealed that he was being courted by Tinseltown for “everything from box-office analysis to a correspondent gig on a television news program, not to mention radio shows and public speaking.” A week after that, President Obama dropped his name in a joke at the annual Thanksgiving turkey pardoning.

With his move to ESPN, a ratings giant, Silver’s star status only grows. He has and will continue to appear across the network’s programming. He’s been promised a role in the Oscars, which will air on ABC through at least 2020. Online, he will add to his reputation for political and sports forecasting by expanding into areas as diverse as economics, science, education and weather. (“I think people will be surprised at how small a percentage of our content is in the politics and policy realm. We’re still going to be forecasting elections,” he told POLITICO, “[b]ut politics might represent something like 20 or 25 percent of our total bandwidth.”)

The traffic

Klein was a big traffic-driver for the Post. In 2011, “Wonkblog” was the most-read blog on the paper’s website. In recent years, he’s generated what one Post staffer described to The New Republic as “enough traffic to end any argument with the senior editors.” (Sources put the number at well over 4 million pageviews a month, though that figure is disputed). Still, it’s a pittance compared to the numbers that Silver has put on the board. In the week before the 2012 presidential election, 71 percent of visitors to the Times’ politics section visited his “FiveThirtyEight” blog, according to The New Republic. On the day of the election, one-in-every-five readers on The Times site visited the blog. “What’s interesting is a lot of the traffic is coming just for Nate,” Jill Abramson, the executive editor of the Times, told TNR. (Neither Silver nor Klein will share their traffic numbers.)

No matter how outsize one journalist becomes, he still benefits from his platform: Klein and Silver drove traffic to the Post and the Times, but the Post and the Times also drove traffic to Klein and Silver. At ESPN, Silver will be the beneficiary of a robust readership of sports fans. At Vox, Klein will largely be responsible for generating his own traffic. And it’s worth remembering that while Klein has many readers who follow him on Twitter and Facebook, there are others who will lose sight of him — much the way many of Frank Rich’s loyal readers stopped reading his columns when he jumped from the Times’ opinion pages to New York Magazine. (Still, it’s worth remembering that Klein is building an entirely new news venture — not just a larger version of Wonkblog — which means that past statistics aren’t necessarily the best indicator of future success.)

The product

In his manifesto, Klein said “context” journalism, which his site will specialize in, is sorely lacking in the current media environment. That may have been true when Klein started at the Post five years ago and was among the first to dedicate a blogger’s metabolism and analytical capacity toward politics and policy. But since then analytical journalism has become the craze.

The Times is currently developing an analytical, data-driven vertical headed by David Leonhardt, the former Washington bureau chief. (Neil Irwin, who formerly worked with Klein at the Post, left to join this vertical just weeks before Klein announced his departure.) The Post has already announced plans to expand its policy analysis in Klein’s absence with a new initiative that “will combine top-shelf writing, razor-sharp data analysis and rich human drama.” And there are a litany of bloggers and columnists in the digital media space who offer analytical and context-based journalism on all manner of subjects.

Silver’s niche is less crowded. Though political forecasting is by no means unique to him — Markos Moulitsas, the founder and publisher of the liberal blog Daily Kos, had an even more accurate prediction of the 2012 presidential election than Silver, to little fanfare — he has made it distinctly his own. The name Nate Silver, and the title “FiveThirtyEight,” are synonymous with political forecasting and, to a lesser extent, sports and award-show forecasting. Like Apple’s iPad, Silver has first-mover advantage. “Our site is about data journalism, specifically, rather than explanatory journalism more broadly,” Silver told POLITICO.

The business plan

Industry watchers speculating on Klein’s possible advertising revenues have thrown out wildly different assessments, ranging from from $8,000 a month to $40,000 a month, before expenses. If you take the most generous view, offered by Business Insider’s Nicholas Carlson, Klein will generate roughly $500,000 in annual revenues over the first few years. Once you take away the salaries — let’s say average of $100k per person — for the eight staffers he has (or the three-dozen staffers he wants to hire) you’re looking at a lot of red ink. (Silver has hired 15 journalists so far, and is looking for more.)

That’s where other revenue sources come in. Bill Grueskin, dean of academic affairs and professor of professional practice at Columbia Journalism School, told POLITICO that Klein would need “the new holy trinity of ad revenue (troubled), subscription sales (possibly for a premium version) and conferences.” But if ad revenue is troubled, paywalls and events don’t necessarily offer a clear path out of the woods, either. Paywall models are still very much in the experiment phase, across the industry, and conferences, as the media columnist Michael Wolff wrote, “are a tough business… it is hard to think of one that has succeeded merely because its moderators, lacking powerful leverage, are well informed.”

ESPN, by contrast, is an ad revenue machine, responsible in some years for almost half of the operating profit of Disney. Which means Silver may not need to worry quite so much about making money. Yes, the onus may be on him to raise new rounds of capital should he run into cashflow problems, but even he says “that may be easier to accomplish at a place like ESPN.” Indeed, so long as he continues doing what he does — and so long as he continues to be synonymous with forecasting — he’ll be on sound footing.

Which brings us to a final consideration…

The media backers

Vox Media is an impressive newcomer on the digital media scene, but none of its sites — The Verge, a key player in the tech community; SB Nation, a sports site; and the Curbed network, which includes popular food and real estate blogs — command enormous audiences or revenue. And while digital media may be the future, its business models are uncertain. Meanwhile, ESPN is worth roughly $40 billion by some estimates and has a seemingly indestructible consumer base.

“ESPN has these gigantic rivers of revenue from cable fees and advertising and licensing. Vox is a really interesting organization and maybe it will someday but it certainly doesn’t have the footprint of ESPN,” Grueskin explained.

Hadas Gold contributed to this report.
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Postby WAC » Tue Jan 28, 2014 4:10 pm

How could anyone read that many words by Dylan Byers about Nate Silver and Ezra Klein
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Postby Feech La Manna » Wed Jan 29, 2014 3:04 pm

man reading resumes is the easiest thing in the world, it takes about 5 seconds a pop to realize which are the bad ones
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Postby powderfinger » Wed Jan 29, 2014 3:09 pm



Reading the announcement, one of my first thoughts was "Yglesias is way too lazy to actually do this kind of journalism, what is Ezra thinking"
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Postby genghis sean » Wed Jan 29, 2014 3:12 pm

Feech La Manna wrote:man reading resumes is the easiest thing in the world, it takes about 5 seconds a pop to realize which are the bad ones


I've had two jobs where I receive resumes and was expected to act as the first Judge Dredd-like means of judgment of their worthiness. usually the formatting clued you in on second 1 and everything was confirmed by second 5.
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Postby genghis sean » Wed Jan 29, 2014 3:15 pm

powderfinger wrote:


Reading the announcement, one of my first thoughts was "Yglesias is way too lazy to actually do this kind of journalism, what is Ezra thinking"


yeah, its actually been pretty funny to see how much the wonk quotient has diminished with Yglesias over the past three or so years. once he was all about digging up departmental statistics and comparing them against independently gathered data - real tiresome legwork that nonetheless set him a bit apart from even other liberal economic writers. but now it's all like "fuck this rich guy for his readily apparent dumb opinion, marijuana sucks and I've been getting into eating arugula a lot lately, surprisingly"
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Postby WAC » Wed Jan 29, 2014 3:20 pm

genghis sean wrote:really looking forward to all the new derisive terms that will result from this


Sean what does this post mean
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Postby genghis sean » Wed Jan 29, 2014 3:27 pm

WAC wrote:
genghis sean wrote:really looking forward to all the new derisive terms that will result from this


Sean what does this post mean


to use a classic example, "turdly liberal" would qualify as a derisive term.

the fact that all the hot shot young milquetoast technocratic liberal yuppies seem to be congregating at a centralized location means the invention of new verbs for the radical left.

can't wait. if I'm lucky I can get in on the ground floor.
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Postby granger » Wed Jan 29, 2014 3:32 pm

seeing a lot of derisive terms in that post
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Postby WAC » Wed Jan 29, 2014 3:53 pm

Oh man, new verbs. It's gonna be another banner year for the radical left.
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Postby husbands » Tue Feb 04, 2014 10:27 am

http://nymag.com/news/features/ezra-klein-2014-2/

nice article

interesting that EK has such esteem for the wirecutter/sweethome, which are run like shit

> half of their recommendations are out of stock or available at different prices than those that make them a 'great pick'

and the idea that there is just one perfect external hard drive / tv / laptop for every consumer is totally wrongheaded, just like the idea that there is one authoritative context that will make sense of all political events
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Postby VHGisdead » Tue Feb 04, 2014 11:07 am

did you guys all send your resumes to jobs@projectx
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Postby WAC » Wed Feb 05, 2014 9:33 pm

He said ALOT of shit last night. And most of it WASN'T how he supported a fascist.
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Postby bigcat » Sat Feb 08, 2014 7:57 pm

have stopped reading wonkbook. always figured this evan soltas guy really wrote all of it and the quality wouldn't change, but i guess not. also, it turns out he is a college sophomore?
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Postby husbands » Sat Feb 08, 2014 9:27 pm

Yeah he's a Princeton undergrad. I agree that wonkbook is worse

Dylan Matthews started as an undergrad at Harvard

Ivy League assholes
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Postby KALM » Sat Feb 08, 2014 11:04 pm

who's even running wonkblog now?

is it going to be that guy who puts pinocchios on things?
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Postby death is my amigo » Fri Feb 21, 2014 1:23 pm

giving andrew prokop a more visible platform is a really, really good idea
guy's been responsible for a lot of really interesting stuff that gets published w/ lizza et al's name on it
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