deadwolfbones wrote:I'm in South Florida for the first time in like a decade and sampling some local hype breweries and it's mostly shit. Pretty disappointing!
Which ones did you try? I’ve only ever been to Funky Buddha down there.
Only a few, to be fair. Due South, Khoffner, Wynwood, Copperpoint, MIA, Civil Society. Civil Society and Wynwood were the highlights, but mostly Civil Society.
deadwolfbones wrote:In other news, I’m grabbing a quick meal at the United Club at ORD and drinking a draft Miller Lite for the first time in ages. It’s… good?
a lot of my craftie buds love it. i still can’t dig it tho
lagunitas born yesterday is out again now and it is still pretty awesome
got a buddy that put his kegerator up for sale, getting on the cheap. i need to get it cleaned tho and get rid of some shit in my garage so i have space but looking forward to living the pony keg lifestyle
When John Walsh refers to criminals as cowards and creeps I just get more jacked
shankly wrote:No qualify or palatine in cans today but I’ve got high hopes for their schwarzbier
Are you at their taproom? If so, I am extremely jealous. Nothing like those pours.
i was at a wedding in the Hudson Valley the other weekend and had to visit Suarez while I was in the area; best brewery i've been to in a long time. Got pours of Qualify and Palatine & picked up cans of Crispy Little and Bones Shirt, plus a few of their bottles. No one is doing better lagers right now. I drank that 4pk of Bones Shirt so fast; it's a perfect fall beer. I need more dark lagers in my life.
The suit is moving through the trial process and is in in depositions. That’s where Founders revealed a startling and arguably ludicrous defense: The manager who fired Evans is claiming he didn’t know that Evans is Black.
A transcript of the exchange between Founders' Detroit general manager Dominic Ryan and Evans’ attorney, Jack Schulz, shows Schulz shifting from shocked to incredulous and perhaps a bit angry as Ryan claims he had no idea Evans is Black. Instead of just answering the question and moving on, Ryan digs in deeper and deeper, repeatedly asking for clarification when Schulz asks questions like “Are you aware Tracy is Black?”
At one point, Ryan even claims that he doesn’t know if former President Barack Obama, Kwame Kilpatrick, or Michael Jordan are African-American, because he has “never met them.”
powderfinger wrote:never trust anything from Grand Rapids IMHO
good rule of thumb. unfortunately this all stems originally from the Detroit location but Founder's had since made an ass out of themselves all the way up the chain.
Evans’ Attorney, Jack Schulz: When did you first meet Tracy Evans?
Founders Manager Dominic Ryan: 2011, 2012. We had mutual friends before working there, so …
Schulz: OK, So you knew Tracy prior to his employment at Founders?
Ryan: We met a few times, yes.
Schulz: OK, are you aware Tracy is Black?
Ryan: What do you mean by that?
Schulz: Are you aware Tracy is African-American?
Ryan: I’m not sure of his lineage so I can’t answer that.
Schulz: Alright. Are you aware that Tracy is a man of color?
Ryan: What do you mean by that?
Schulz: No? Do you know … You don’t know what it means for someone to be a white person or a Black person?
Ryan: I’m asking for clarification.
Schulz: You don’t need any. I can promise you that. We’ll keep the record as is. Someone’s skin color. A white …
Ryan: So that’s what you’re referring to?
Schulz: Yeah. Oh, yeah, yeah.
Ryan: OK. Yes, I know the difference in skin tone.
Schulz: Are you able to identify individuals by their skin tone?
Ryan: What do you mean “identify”?
Schulz: I mean have you ever looked at Tracy Evans in your entire life? Have you? That’s a … that’s a genuine question.
Founders Attorney: Objection. Argumentative.
Founders Attorney: You can answer.
Ryan: Yes.
Schulz: And did you ever realize that Tracy’s skin [is] Black?
Ryan: That’s not … I mean, is his skin different from mine? Yes.
Schulz: How?
Ryan: What do you mean “how”? It’s a different color.
Schulz: And what is the difference of that color?
Ryan: It’s darker.
Schulz: And that means?
Founders Attorney: Objection. Vague question.
Schulz: I mean, we could … This could be a one-sentence answer, you know. So by your … I guess your testimony is you have no idea if Tracy is a minority, if he’s African-American?
Ryan: I don’t know Tracy’s lineage, so I can’t speculate on whether he’s … if he’s from Africa or not.
Schulz: What do you mean lineage, from Africa?
Ryan: No. I mean, like, I don’t know his DNA.
Schulz: Have you ever met Black people who aren’t from Africa?
Ryan: Excuse me?
Schulz: Have you ever met a Black person born in America?
Ryan: Yes.
Schulz: And you were able … Have you ever met a Black person who didn’t tell you they were Black?
Ryan: Can you rephrase that?
Schulz: Is Barack Obama Black?
Founders Attorney: Objection.
Schulz: To your knowledge?
Ryan: I’ve never met Barack Obama so I don’t …
Schulz: So you don’t know if Barack Obama is Black? What about Michael Jordan? Do you know if Michael Jordan is Black?
Founders Attorney: Objection
Ryan: I’ve never met him.
Schulz: So you don’t know him? What about Kwame Kilpatrick?
Ryan: Never met him.
Schulz: To your knowledge, was Kwame Kilpatrick Black?
our country is so dumb and depraved that "i'm actually too stupid too be racist" is going to turn out to be a get out of jail free card for these idiots
shankly wrote:our country is so dumb and depraved that "i'm actually too stupid too be racist" is going to turn out to be a get out of jail free card for these idiots
most all of Detroit has already pulled Founder's. pretty sure the Eastern Market Beer Fest and Michigan Beer Advocate have already made statements too. unfortunately this story probably won't make it out of Detroit though and Founder's has a pretty wide reach nowadays.
there is a thread regarding this on the beeradvocate forums that is unbelievably terrible. that place seems to have literal nazis posting their hate speech any chance they get
there is a thread regarding this on the beeradvocate forums that is unbelievably terrible. that place seems to have literal nazis posting their hate speech any chance they get
I try to get involved in these threads whenever they pop up but it's such a dispiriting battle.