Mr. Robot: a show on the USA Network

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Postby chargie » Mon Nov 18, 2019 3:16 pm

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Postby ecto » Mon Nov 18, 2019 3:24 pm

yeah

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Postby auspice » Mon Nov 18, 2019 8:41 pm

after a full day of voting the latest episode is sitting at a 10.0 rating on IMDb (nearly 3k votes)

fucking stoked to watch this tonight, nothing has been spoiled for me
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Postby bigcat » Tue Nov 19, 2019 10:34 am

wonder how Christian Slater felt about that reveal! and how long he knewToggle Spoiler
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Postby auspice » Tue Nov 19, 2019 1:59 pm

yeah, it'll be interesting to see how Elliot broaches this latest development with Darlene, if he's able to save her from Dark Army first
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Postby Bad Craziness » Tue Nov 19, 2019 2:09 pm

That was maybe the greatest single episode of television I’ve ever seen
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Postby Bad Craziness » Tue Nov 19, 2019 2:10 pm

and it would work as a stand-alone stage play

Sam Esmail is a fucking genius
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Postby Bad Craziness » Tue Nov 19, 2019 2:23 pm

also, regarding the “there is another”

had dinner with some friends the other night and we got to talking about tech/privacy/surveillance stuff so I sat them down to watch the first episode. When Elliott first meets Tyrell in the Allsafe office, the scene feels deliberately cut so that there’s no interaction between Tyrell and anyone else. Even when he goes to meet Tyrell at Ecorp (in the exact same conference room as the “There is another” scene) he’s surrounded by a bunch of lawyers who do not speak or interact with either of them before they clear the room.

It gave a lot of ammo to the idea of Tyrell actually being the “another”, but watching the whole series over again to dig in more would take longer than this final season has left to go
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Postby ecto » Tue Nov 19, 2019 2:51 pm

it being tyrell would just be so hard to pull off

thinking about the pilot, the reveal of this ep got me thinking about how the very first scene of the show is elliott exposing that guy's child porn server on the dark web
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Postby Feech La Manna » Tue Nov 19, 2019 3:05 pm

Tyrell is really the only answer that makes sense for the third personality, but yeah, it requires a lot of work even compared to the other unreliable narrator reveals on the show. Like, how do you efficiently explain which parts of the whole cabin detour, Joanna, Tyrell's media profile, etc. are real and what aren'tToggle Spoiler
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Postby auspice » Tue Nov 19, 2019 3:59 pm

Esmail is very, very skilled when it comes to forming a narrative but considering the Joanna storyline and the fact that Philip Price has acknowledged Tyrell going missing there is absolutely no way Esmail can pull that off.

Of course, now I'm remembering that scene (can't remember if it's season 1 or 2) where Joanna runs into Elliot on the street and asks where Tyrell is and how Elliot's monologue asks whether or not she knows something he doesn't.

Also....Tyrell did go missing for a whole fucking season lol, and Angela seemed to get along with him pretty easily in light of all the shit going on. I don't fucking know anymore with this show. Given how strange Tyrell's departure was in episode 4 (those wailing noises and him finding that weird light in the woods) we're probably being set up for a total mindfuck.
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Postby auspice » Tue Nov 19, 2019 4:03 pm

Also, we literally saw Tyrell being discussed on television this season. And how the fuck would he balance working in IT and corporate simultaneously when you factor in characters like Gideon?
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Postby Feech La Manna » Tue Nov 19, 2019 4:12 pm

It would have to be a major "this element, this element, and this element were never real" kinda thing. Which... I don' t know how you make that very exciting, especially when you've done it twice before and people have been speculating about it since the first few episodes. And I dunno, they've hinted so heavily at it being Tyrell that maybe they're going some other weird direction.
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Postby Bad Craziness » Tue Nov 19, 2019 4:14 pm

it kind of felt like maybe “Elliot” could have been Tyrell working on-site at Allsafe as the client’s rep

has there ever been a photo of Elliot seen in the show...?
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Postby auspice » Tue Nov 19, 2019 5:08 pm

Ctrl F-ing "Tyrell" on the wikipedia episodes page for Mr. Robot how has my brain spinning in a thousand directions, ugh.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Mr._Robot_episodes

I think the answer as to who the third personality is probably has something to do with what this recent episode means for the overall narrative, in that we finally know the exact purpose Mr. Robot serves to Elliot, which is his mind's defense mechanism against stress, either to deal with minor annoyances (that conversation he had earlier this season with Darlene where he and Mr. Robot took turns speaking seemed to be influences by whether or not Elliot was annoyed with what she was saying), or, as this last episode showed, extreme incidences of violence and abuse.

One thing I'm having trouble remembering - was it ever explained in the show what exactly caused Elliot to forget who Mr. Robot was at the start of the first season? And could that have something to do with how the beginning of the show also starts with Elliot just having met Tyrell for the first time?

Because after all, once Elliot remembers again who Mr. Robot is, it quickly leads to the encounter with Tyrell that results in Tyrell disappearing, and Mr. Robot hesitates to explain why all throughout the second season. Then there's the episode where Elliot is nearly beaten to death and Mr. Robot conjures the sitcom fantasy for him - who else appears in that fantasy, locked in the trunk by trying to escape?

Then, of course, after Elliot is reunited with Tyrell at the end of season 2, it leads to season 3, where Elliot and Mr. Robot aren't speaking with each other for most of the episodes.

Again, the answer to this has to be a lot trippier than what we're expecting. If this all leads to an episode where it's revealed that specific scenes were just totally made up in Elliot's mind, I'm gonna be pretty disappointed at that'll feel like a real cop out.
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Postby auspice » Tue Nov 19, 2019 5:17 pm

Some key descriptions from that wikipedia page.

After the birth of their child, Joanna tells Tyrell that he needs to keep in control if he "wants to be part of this family".

A brief flashback shows that Tyrell recorded an fsociety video the night he visited Elliot. One month later, Elliot has gone off the grid, living with his mother and maintaining a repetitive routine in an attempt to weaken the influence of Mr. Robot, who continually appears to him and torments him while still refusing to tell him what happened to Tyrell.

Elliot wakes up from a dissociative state on the phone, greeted on the other end by Tyrell.

Elliot uses a lucid dreaming technique to watch Mr. Robot decode a message in the apartment. As he follows him, Elliot then takes control on the way to a waiting cab. To his astonishment, Tyrell gets in. Despite accepting his destination, the cab driver doesn't directly acknowledge Tyrell's existence and kicks Elliot out for panicking.

Convinced that Tyrell is not real, Elliot tries to undo the firmware hack, but Tyrell shoots him with Darlene's stolen gun. Angela gets a call from a distraught Tyrell through the Dark Army, departing to be with Elliot when he awakes.

The night of the hack, Mr. Robot tries to shoot Tyrell, but the gun jams. Tyrell then convinces Mr. Robot he needs him for Stage 2. Irving and the Dark Army appear, stating Gideon told the FBI that Tyrell shut down the honeypot, making him the prime suspect of the hack. They take Tyrell to a cabin in a secluded area. The psych evaluation breaks him, but he admits he will always be loyal to Elliot.
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Postby auspice » Tue Nov 19, 2019 5:20 pm

Bad Craziness wrote:it kind of felt like maybe “Elliot” could have been Tyrell working on-site at Allsafe as the client’s rep

has there ever been a photo of Elliot seen in the show...?




just remembered this scene, which throws a wrench in everything we've been discussing lol (pics of both Elliot and Tyrell are on that board)
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Postby Feech La Manna » Tue Nov 19, 2019 5:47 pm

man that reveal was so good
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Postby Bad Craziness » Tue Nov 19, 2019 5:49 pm

yeah that would have to rule it out entirely, wouldn’t it?
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Postby auspice » Tue Nov 19, 2019 5:59 pm

Bad Craziness wrote:yeah that would have to rule it out entirely, wouldn’t it?


I just cross-referenced Dom's board with the entire character list on the show.

Notably absent - Leon
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Postby Feech La Manna » Tue Nov 19, 2019 6:00 pm

The road trip with Mobley and Trent kinda fucks up the Leon theory
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Postby auspice » Tue Nov 19, 2019 6:06 pm

Mr. Robot states that if Elliot can beat him in chess, he will leave forever. Though Krista advises against it, Leon tells him to fight for what he wants; however, all three matches end in stalemates.


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Postby Feech La Manna » Tue Nov 19, 2019 6:13 pm

iirc the sequence of events would have to be Elliot watches the eCorp buildings blow up->he goes and scoops Trent and Mobley up and delivers them to Dark Army->he goes back to NYC and hangs with Trent’s little brother (plus the stinger on s2 would need to be out of sequence). I can’t remember if there was any reference to Elliot losing time or disappearing right after the eCorp bombings.
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Postby auspice » Tue Nov 19, 2019 6:15 pm

Feech La Manna wrote:iirc the sequence of events would have to be Elliot watches the eCorp buildings blow up->he goes and scoops Trent and Mobley up and delivers them to Dark Army->he goes back to NYC and hangs with Trent’s little brother (plus the stinger on s2 would need to be out of sequence). I can’t remember if there was any reference to Elliot losing time or disappearing right after the eCorp bombings.


isn't the stinger on s2 what leads to the beginning of season 3 ep 7?
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Postby Feech La Manna » Tue Nov 19, 2019 6:19 pm

Yeah you’re right it would probably need to be out of sequence either way unless Leon was holding on to them for weeks
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Postby auspice » Tue Nov 19, 2019 6:55 pm

I mean, I'm not sold on it being Leon either but the way I see that sequence of events.

>Elliot sees the buildings fall and understands he's complicit in it
>Runs to Krista distraught, at which point Mr. Robot takes over
>Mr. Robot meets with Irving then (off-screen) Irving tasks him with locating Trent/Mobley and bringing them back to the city
>Mr. Robot goes into "Leon" mode and embarks on the road trip
>Brings them back, they get whacked
>Episode 8 begins

Seeing as Elliot was gonna OD on his pills in that episode I think it's fair to say he may been distraught enough to have lost all concept of time during this period. Plus, Leon being a personality of his adds an extra layer of darkness to this episode since Elliot pals around with Mobley's little bro.

But also...the only time this season we've seen Leon was when he showed up to deliver pills to Elliot...and Elliot kicks off season 3 ep 8 with a fresh batch of pills to kill himself with...

Maybe Leon (if it's him) is what Elliot's mind conjures to deal with otherwise unfathomable tasks? In the season 3 finale Leon doesn't really do anything in the barn besides talk to Elliot, and his devotion/loyalty to Elliot doesn't really make any sense when he's supposed to be a Dark Army agent.

AND again, when Leon meets Elliot in season 4, he says he's severed himself from the Dark Army, which is A. probably impossible to do if Leon is actually real and B. an apt metaphor given Elliot's overall place of standing with the Dark Army at the start of this season, and the fact that he's working against them at the moment.

jfc make this make sense Esmail. I'm offically at the point where a week is too long to wait for a new episode.
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Postby Bad Craziness » Tue Nov 19, 2019 8:06 pm

Leon isn’t interesting or important enough to be the big reveal
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Postby auspice » Tue Nov 19, 2019 8:22 pm

Bad Craziness wrote:Leon isn’t interesting or important enough to be the big reveal


that's what I'm concerned about though - there isn't any discernible character that makes sense as the third personality, so what is there to even reveal?
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Postby auspice » Tue Nov 19, 2019 8:32 pm

Unrelated to the "who is #3" discussion but check out this bit from the s1, ep 2 synopsis.

Elliot and Mr. Robot discuss Elliot's falling out with his father: Elliot told his mother of his father's terminal illness, despite promising his father he would keep the illness secret. Mr. Robot pushes Elliot off a railing onto the rock-strewn beach below as punishment for not keeping his father's secret.
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Postby auspice » Tue Nov 19, 2019 8:34 pm

and this scene

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