what are you reading right now?

Health insurance rip off lying FDA big bankers buying
Fake computer crashes dining
Cloning while they're multiplying
Fashion shoots with Beck and Hanson
Courtney Love, and Marilyn Manson
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Postby Slamwich Artist » Tue Dec 19, 2017 8:10 am

got these two to read on a plane, the only interesting-looking english books i could find before leaving:
i wasn't expecting to like this as much as i did
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had to put this one down after 40 pages or so though. found the narration really annoying
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Postby abs » Tue Dec 19, 2017 10:20 am

out of curiosity, how many books per year are people reading? i set my goal as 60 this year and i will be coming in right on target (hopefully) by dec 31.
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Postby manvstrees » Tue Dec 19, 2017 10:21 am

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Postby trigross » Tue Dec 19, 2017 11:14 am

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how are these books? they sound weird and right in my wheelhouse
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Postby sadville » Tue Dec 19, 2017 11:27 am

i only read about 20 this year

not a good year for me :(
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Postby trigross » Tue Dec 19, 2017 11:31 am

yeah i done goofed this year too
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Postby wollogallu » Tue Dec 19, 2017 11:31 am

~78
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Postby landspeedrecord » Tue Dec 19, 2017 11:49 am

think I did about 25-0 this year, which is probably what I have averaged since graduating from college. would like to double that
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Postby Kenny » Tue Dec 19, 2017 11:53 am

I think I'm about 3000 this year, give or take a few
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Postby adam sampler » Tue Dec 19, 2017 12:08 pm

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mediocre


I read Half Empty after liking his stories on TAL, but yeah I gave up halfway through because it was just bland stuff

yeah, I want to finish this just because I've had this on my Goodreads front page since high school and found it at Housing Works for like 2 bucks. but might have to abandon it despite its length
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Postby the upland trout » Tue Dec 19, 2017 12:21 pm

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the upland trout wrote:Why don't you like about Pippin, Pinkard, etc.? From what I remember from graduate school, I know that Pinkard sorta turns Hegel into a social epistemologist.

i guess that post sounded more negative than i meant it to be, but i basically feel like hegel is a metaphysician and a lot of the analytic commentary tries to tame him in a way to make him more friendly to trends in current thought, and it ends up being a distortion of the texts. i think i was also being negative partly because i was addressing you because i think the fact that hegel is a metaphysician is so important to marx and the frankfurt school's understandings of him, so i felt like i wanted to qualify the brandom recommendation because i felt like the reading according to which hegel was basically the later wittgenstein wasn't going to sit right.

pippen is the worst offender to me because he's also just not very detail oriented. it feels like a reading without a text. pinkard is better, but brandom is the best of those because he is very careful and detail oriented even though he gives a reading i don't think i agree with. brandom also builds a great narrative to his reading that sort of re-situates the text in interesting ways. that said the hyppolite is more true of hegel than that book / manuscript is imo.


I think I would have more tolerance for Brandom taking liberties with the text than someone like Pinkard. It seems to me that Brandom's work on Hegel and other thinkers is part of his larger philosophical project, and as such I don't really expect his Hegel to be the Hegel scholar's Hegel.

I've read a bit of the Brandom text and it seems really interesting. Do you have any idea how close it is to publication?

Have you read Beiser?
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Postby the upland trout » Tue Dec 19, 2017 12:29 pm

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how are these books? they sound weird and right in my wheelhouse


I haven't quite started the second one (currently trying to finish up grading), but I really really liked The Crimson Bears. It was really charming and goofy, there are lots of long descriptions of strange things (ornate jackets and weird machines), and I loved the writing. There is not, however, a really strong plot.
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Postby Kenny » Tue Dec 19, 2017 12:29 pm

adam sampler wrote:
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mediocre


I read Half Empty after liking his stories on TAL, but yeah I gave up halfway through because it was just bland stuff

yeah, I want to finish this just because I've had this on my Goodreads front page since high school and found it at Housing Works for like 2 bucks. but might have to abandon it despite its length


I haven't really loved a David Sedaris book either despite liking him a lot on NPR/TAL, so I think maybe (for me) it's just the transition to text doesn't work well? I dunno. I also watched a few David Rakoff videos after posting that and maybe I'm out of my twee 20s phase of humorists..

Still kind of want to give Love Disonor Marry Die Cherish Perish a shot
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Postby Melville » Tue Dec 19, 2017 1:41 pm

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the upland trout wrote:Yeah my comprehension of the book takes a nosedive with the Reason section and only gradually recovers.

Definitely. The stuff on (self-)consciousness is a lot more relatable, both to personal experience and to later phenomenology. It also often becomes hard to parse what "stratum" of existence he was talking about -- from an individual up to humanity as a whole. Though that leads to a lot of thoughts about the mirroring of processes between different strata, which becomes one of the most fascinating things about the book.

What is your research on, if you don't mind me asking?

the reason section only makes any sense if you've studied kant pretty thoroughly. it's the section of the book that is most directly in engagement with another system, so this reaction makes sense.

I've read a fair bit of Kant (Critique of Pure Reason, Critique of Practical Reason, one of his books on ethics), but I probably should have been doing more direct cross-referencing while reading the reason section of Hegel. I think I've now mostly forgotten what was actually in that section, other than some obviously outdated science. I should read more philosophy. Every once in a while I realize my mind has turned to absolute mush.
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Postby Melville » Tue Dec 19, 2017 1:44 pm

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the upland trout wrote:Yeah my comprehension of the book takes a nosedive with the Reason section and only gradually recovers.

Definitely. The stuff on (self-)consciousness is a lot more relatable, both to personal experience and to later phenomenology. It also often becomes hard to parse what "stratum" of existence he was talking about -- from an individual up to humanity as a whole. Though that leads to a lot of thoughts about the mirroring of processes between different strata, which becomes one of the most fascinating things about the book.

What is your research on, if you don't mind me asking?


Right now I'm mostly working in STS, disability studies, and environmental philosophy. Very abstractly stated, I'm interested in exploring the technological and ecological dimensions of the construction of disability and ability.

However I am also very interested in the Frankfurt School, leftist/Marxist thought more generally, and Adorno in particular. But I also feel that my grasp of this material is a bit too uncertain to comfortably make use of it in my current work. Reading Hegel is a way of hopefully getting more comfortable with all of this.

Sounds cool. (Though as a clueless physicist, I have no idea what STS stands for.) I can definitely see that Marx's reaction to Hegel could tie into your interests.
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Postby Dead_Wizard » Tue Dec 19, 2017 1:54 pm

Very much enjoying Rainald Goetz's "Insane". Reads like a series of vignettes on mental health from the perspective of patient and clinician. Traces of Bernhard, Gaddis, etc. I love his ability to inhabit the mind of an MD (he went to med school) one of the most convincing "clinical" voices I've seen in fiction.
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Postby Melville » Tue Dec 19, 2017 2:04 pm

I used to read 20-30+ books every year. Last couple years I've pretty much only read comics.
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Postby Dead_Wizard » Tue Dec 19, 2017 2:11 pm

I wouldn't get too hung up over numbers considering books vary in length from 2 pages to 10,000+
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Postby the upland trout » Tue Dec 19, 2017 2:54 pm

Melville wrote:
the upland trout wrote:
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the upland trout wrote:Yeah my comprehension of the book takes a nosedive with the Reason section and only gradually recovers.

Definitely. The stuff on (self-)consciousness is a lot more relatable, both to personal experience and to later phenomenology. It also often becomes hard to parse what "stratum" of existence he was talking about -- from an individual up to humanity as a whole. Though that leads to a lot of thoughts about the mirroring of processes between different strata, which becomes one of the most fascinating things about the book.

What is your research on, if you don't mind me asking?


Right now I'm mostly working in STS, disability studies, and environmental philosophy. Very abstractly stated, I'm interested in exploring the technological and ecological dimensions of the construction of disability and ability.

However I am also very interested in the Frankfurt School, leftist/Marxist thought more generally, and Adorno in particular. But I also feel that my grasp of this material is a bit too uncertain to comfortably make use of it in my current work. Reading Hegel is a way of hopefully getting more comfortable with all of this.

Sounds cool. (Though as a clueless physicist, I have no idea what STS stands for.) I can definitely see that Marx's reaction to Hegel could tie into your interests.


Ah, STS stands for Science, Technology, Society. It is a field that studies how these things (science, technology, society, culture, etc) interact and affect one another.
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Postby dmitry » Tue Dec 19, 2017 3:25 pm

next year I’m not gonna set a book or page goal, since that makes me feel bad about reading articles and long books, dipping in and out of stuff, using stuff as reference, and giving up on shitty books. my goal is to read for 400 hours next year. actually my real goal, the thing I need to work on, is powering through nonfiction once I get bored of the subject — or the author begins to ramble, which seems to be a requirement for a lot of nonfiction.
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Postby Kenny » Tue Dec 19, 2017 4:13 pm

Setting a number or page goal is a perfect way for me to rush through books to finish them or read stuff I don't want to read just because it will get my numbers up. I'm definitely that kind of idiot
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Postby Seamus » Tue Dec 19, 2017 6:05 pm

I set a goodread target for 50 books each year and it's pretty good at motivating me to keep reading even through the bad times
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Postby blurst of times » Tue Dec 19, 2017 6:12 pm

"a novel of gothic horror and shuddering suspense by a mistress of eerie enchantment" sounds sick as hell

i think i'm gonna try to pick that up soon
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Postby incoherent grunting » Tue Dec 19, 2017 6:13 pm

12 - one a month. :)

I'd like to up it, but I'm just so damn illiterate! When I don't like a book I really drag through it which can eat up weekssss.
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Postby Kenny » Tue Dec 19, 2017 6:58 pm

I did read a thousand page book (well a 2 book omnibus) in 2 weeks so I felt pretty speed reader B-)
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Postby santos l halper » Tue Dec 19, 2017 7:01 pm

I'm at ~60 for the year, which I'm okay with, especially as there was some longer stuff in there. I try not to obsess over the number, but I do find tracking it can motivate me.
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Postby cooly » Wed Dec 20, 2017 12:16 am

the upland trout wrote:I've read a bit of the Brandom text and it seems really interesting. Do you have any idea how close it is to publication?

Have you read Beiser?

yeah, what you said about the text is exactly how i feel about it, and i'm very glad to hear that you're finding it interesting. it's very close to publication. i think the wheels are in motion and the ms is complete.

i have read some beiser. i think he's very good as an intellectual historian, but i didn't mention the hegel book because iirc it's very survey-ish. i don't think it would answer any of your questions on the phg, and it sounds like you're familiar enough with the intellectual context that i'm not sure how much good that one would do for you?

that fate of reason book is more relevant to my current project, and i think that one's very good. i would definitely read more of his stuff. the one on the german historicist tradition has been catching my eye lately. is there one you were considering or thinking of recommending?
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Postby cooly » Wed Dec 20, 2017 12:39 am

Melville wrote:
cooly wrote:the reason section only makes any sense if you've studied kant pretty thoroughly. it's the section of the book that is most directly in engagement with another system, so this reaction makes sense.

I've read a fair bit of Kant (Critique of Pure Reason, Critique of Practical Reason, one of his books on ethics), but I probably should have been doing more direct cross-referencing while reading the reason section of Hegel. I think I've now mostly forgotten what was actually in that section, other than some obviously outdated science. I should read more philosophy. Every once in a while I realize my mind has turned to absolute mush.


sorry, i think i was trying to assuage worries about not being able to make sense of that section by pointing to some of the presuppositions / hidden debates taking place there, but i ended up sounding (on looking back at my post) kind of vague and maybe sounding dismissive in assuming your background on kant.

the transition from mechanism to teleological explanation to life in that section is engaging most heavily with the critique of judgment, where kant addresses problem of the necessity for teleological forms of explanation in the sciences (particularly biology) when the system, to that point, only allows mechanical causation to exist objectively in the world of experience. so i guess kant's problem is that his understanding of causality in the first critique as purely mechanical ends up leaving e.g. biology as a science as a feature of "how we think about the world" and not of the world. hegel is often trying to undermine these distinctions between how the world is and how we have to think about the world, and cutting against the idea that reason is the thing that's in your mind that's trying to structure the non-rational world around us into something we can comprehend, placing reason in the world itself. i think the reason section of the phenomenology is where a lot of that work gets going by pushing against kant on those points.

that's at least the connection i was suggesting, not sure if that's helpful, and i'm going off memory from many years ago, so i hope i'm not leading you too far astray.
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Postby Getbetter » Wed Dec 20, 2017 12:50 am

I'm reading , Surviving the Ramones and it's kinda bad yet Dee Dee is my favorite Ramone from reading Please Kill Me so I'm invested this far I'm going to finish it. Yet maybe I forgot that they mention that the Ramones name came from Paul Mccarthey fake name Joey Ramone or "xxxxx Ramone" kinda made me not like their name. It makes me wonder if once I get to point where I idolizing a band learning their inspirations are things I don't like, suck because it does make me less of fan. I think the Beatles are good band but they are overrated. Just like how the Sex Pistols thought of the Ramones, you would think they are gang or bad asses and not dudes who love the Beatles.


Edit: I just read about Johnny throwing rocks at the Beatles ... :/ Kind of redeemed
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