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Re: hipinion vegans
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Sat Jan 12, 2019 2:30 pm
by beefbroth inthe shitpipes
I watch a lot of Ramsay’s cooking competitions. He usually shit on contestants that are vegan. He usually is baffled of how they can possibly compete.
Re: hipinion vegans
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Sat Jan 12, 2019 2:32 pm
by Brouhaha
theta wrote:corner stores/bodegas, dollar stores, convenience stores
right but mostly every city has an actual grocery store too
Re: hipinion vegans
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Sat Jan 12, 2019 2:34 pm
by Brouhaha
also the 99 cents only chain sells a good amount of veggies and legumes
Re: hipinion vegans
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Sat Jan 12, 2019 2:39 pm
by Amblin
99 cent store had just brand cookie dough this week
Re: hipinion vegans
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Sat Jan 12, 2019 2:40 pm
by theta
i mean, i totally agree with you. being vegan is cheaper than an omni diet if you cook veggies and legumes at home. i'm just saying that for a lot of people, there's a whole constellation of habits and beliefs influenced by income, class, and location that feed into perceiving vegan food as too expensive.
Re: hipinion vegans
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Sat Jan 12, 2019 2:44 pm
by Brouhaha
definitely true, theta
amblin, it's nice when you randomly see vegan products in there, happens somewhat regularly
Re: hipinion vegans
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Sat Jan 12, 2019 2:44 pm
by port
Brouhaha wrote:which market doesn't sell veggies and legumes?
i use the most basic cooking equipment that's in pretty much every household
I went to an Aldi in a poor area of South Bend, Indiana that had almost no fresh produce. No spinach, no avocados, hardly anything fresh - the shelf space was all reserved for pre-packaged junk. Food deserts are a real thing.
Re: hipinion vegans
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Sat Jan 12, 2019 2:47 pm
by Brouhaha
that's a bummer
I do notice that when I go to certain Ralphs or Targets in poorer neighborhoods, there's quite a bit less vegan products than I'm used to seeing at those places
Re: hipinion vegans
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Sat Jan 12, 2019 2:49 pm
by Amblin
some dude got owned all over Twitter a few weeks ago because he insulted a photo of an Asian hot pot dish with meat in it.
People were claiming that veganism was appropriation of the diets of non-western/immigrant communities.
I guess to me, so many people just see veganism as some faddy type diet trend and not a moral issue. So they want to constantly question motivations or present it as some form of voluntary elitism.
There are annoying vegans but it sucks to not only have to defend my diet choices from nuckledragging “bacon is epic” types as well as people who I am more typically aligned with in my political and social views who think I’m some snobby white bro who thinks he’s above everyone because I eat tofu.
I just don’t want to eat dead animals. And it’s cool when other people don’t either.
Re: hipinion vegans
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Sat Jan 12, 2019 2:56 pm
by Amblin
port wrote:Brouhaha wrote:which market doesn't sell veggies and legumes?
i use the most basic cooking equipment that's in pretty much every household
I went to an Aldi in a poor area of South Bend, Indiana that had almost no fresh produce. No spinach, no avocados, hardly anything fresh - the shelf space was all reserved for pre-packaged junk. Food deserts are a real thing.
Frozen and canned vegetables aren’t as great as fresh but they still work.
Re: hipinion vegans
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Sat Jan 12, 2019 2:58 pm
by Brouhaha
i follow a few old friends and fitness people on ig and i get annoyed when they post their meat heavy meals, gushing about how good it is and giving it various hashtags that involve the word healthy.
Re: hipinion vegans
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Sat Jan 12, 2019 3:01 pm
by blurst of times
awesome, mascotte! good luck on staying with it
brouhaha, i think it's a tricky issue that i think about a lot and that makes me a little wary of trying to push veganism on people. on one hand, i do think it's more accessible than people realize -- in a lot of the world, meat is a luxury and people's daily diets are heavily plant-based; it's only really in america/the west that people's diets are so heavily based on meat, thanks to culture/subsidies/etc. but even in america, there have been non-rich &;non-white vegans for decades.
on the other hand, it's true that it is still out of reach for people in low-income communities/food deserts. (more people get groceries from dollar stores than whole foods now:
https://www.businessinsider.com/dollar-stores-taking-over-america-2018-12). people lack the resources, in terms of money/time/cooking knowledge/access to public transport (like theta mentioned) to go through with it.
but i think if you do have the ability, thinking about your dietary choices and how they impact the environment/people/animals is a good thing and should be encouraged.
Re: hipinion vegans
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Sat Jan 12, 2019 3:02 pm
by sordid affair
i lvoe canned peas with all of my heart
Re: hipinion vegans
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Sat Jan 12, 2019 4:13 pm
by rich uncle skeleton
Amblin wrote:some dude got owned all over Twitter a few weeks ago because he insulted a photo of an Asian hot pot dish with meat in it.
People were claiming that veganism was appropriation of the diets of non-western/immigrant communities.
I guess to me, so many people just see veganism as some faddy type diet trend and not a moral issue. So they want to constantly question motivations or present it as some form of voluntary elitism.
There are annoying vegans but it sucks to not only have to defend my diet choices from nuckledragging “bacon is epic” types as well as people who I am more typically aligned with in my political and social views who think I’m some snobby white bro who thinks he’s above everyone because I eat tofu.
I just don’t want to eat dead animals. And it’s cool when other people don’t either.
Yeah that tweet was awful and the responses were interesting but at times frustrating:
And then this thread response was the one getting a lot of likes:
This is also maybe a better core image of what exactly people are criticizing:
I think the issue here isn't that there's white people who are vegan but rather a more specific subset who don't hold their veganism in tandem with other socially just causes and downplay other bad things by describing the issues around the meat industry. Unfortunately it does seem to give people the ammo to write off veganism entirely, and I'm not sure how much that subset represents of the overall number of vegans. Doesn't seem to be too large of a group to me outside of dipshits on twitter.
Mascotte, my hat is off to you. I've really enjoyed going vegan at home and scaling back on my meat consumption. I'm definitely feeling guilty about the meat/animal products I'm still consuming and wonder how long until I try to make the full jump.