HPN WEREWOLF #2: (WEREWOLVES WIN!)

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Postby Cronos » Tue Sep 01, 2015 8:13 pm

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Postby mcphee » Tue Sep 01, 2015 10:28 pm

Alice wrote:Fox and I def passed on the stakeout PMs to gambra and mcphee before we were declared dead. I told them it seemed like he was not bluffing and did want to be turned. I didn't definitively respond to stakeout about his proposal tho other than to say I had received it. It was ultimately up to them to do what was best for their game moving forward.

I guess keeping the wolf spreadsheet up-to-date while the remaining Wolves had access to its data was a bit of a grey area as far as bending game rules goes. I did it for their benefit and to satisfy my own need to compile all the data into a visual reference. I love visual references like that. I did PM with Snatch about the Tanner role too to see what his deal was, but he'd already been executing his sabotage plan by then.


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Postby pablito » Wed Sep 02, 2015 4:34 am

So obviously the best thing would have been for us masons to lie completely low the entire game because it's a hugely useful role late-game and completely inconsequential early on
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Postby iambic » Wed Sep 02, 2015 6:18 am

also to talk to one another
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Postby Kaputt » Wed Sep 02, 2015 9:16 am

I didn't even consider that non wolves could send each other PMs until right at the end when feral said he sent one to ampersand and then I realised that we'd really failed to utilise that.

Can't stop thinking about the failure to execute junebug. Made a massive mistake there that I've been kicking myself for all day.
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Postby Cronos » Wed Sep 02, 2015 9:20 am

yeah also whoever was saying not to execute me was completely and totally right. Once my role is revealed I'm kind of useless because obviously I won't help the village since my win condition is with the wolves and you can just ignore everything I say. You guys wasted a turn getting rid of me when you could have killed Junebug or Stakeout and that would have helped since you wouldn't have been listening to Stakeout's nonsense. Also not sure why anyone listened to Snatch at all once they found out he was the tanner.
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Postby feral » Wed Sep 02, 2015 10:14 am

I still don't understand why you didn't want to continue the game even further, Snatch. Were you just sick of it?
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Postby lordofdiapers » Wed Sep 02, 2015 10:16 am

Cronos wrote:yeah also whoever was saying not to execute me was completely and totally right. Once my role is revealed I'm kind of useless because obviously I won't help the village since my win condition is with the wolves and you can just ignore everything I say. You guys wasted a turn getting rid of me when you could have killed Junebug or Stakeout and that would have helped since you wouldn't have been listening to Stakeout's nonsense. Also not sure why anyone listened to Snatch at all once they found out he was the tanner.



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Postby JUGLIFE » Wed Sep 02, 2015 10:16 am

in my opinion its good what i did in this game.
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Postby feral » Wed Sep 02, 2015 10:56 am

No, if we continued the game long enough, the wolves would have killed you in order to avoid killing the diseased. I try to explain this to you in PM. The villagers would not kill you; I admitted this.
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Postby mcphee » Wed Sep 02, 2015 10:59 am

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Postby feral » Wed Sep 02, 2015 11:18 am

This is going to haunt me forever.

Someone who works in decision theory needs to do a paper about this.
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Postby mcphee » Wed Sep 02, 2015 11:19 am

it's called PBSSD

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Postby mcphee » Wed Sep 02, 2015 11:20 am

if it makes you feel better, feral, without our cheap as shit snatch ploy we probably would have lost
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Postby Cronos » Wed Sep 02, 2015 11:24 am

Snatch wrote:
feral wrote:I still don't understand why you didn't want to continue the game even further, Snatch. Were you just sick of it?


There was no situation where I'd win on the Village's side after we offed Capital, and frankly, I didn't trust you guys to off me even before then; as with the wolves, your agenda would have been to win the game.

The only play was to ally with the wolves on the last day to force a tie and hope they would hold up their end of the bargain. I knew they would not, but I had no leverage to push for them to do more than they did. Like, maaaaaybe could have asked gambra/mcphee/junebug to all vote for Kaputt, and then cast the last vote for junebug to force a tie, and then they could have killed me to end the game -- but why would they risk that?

There is probably a lesson in here for future games, though, which is that the Village might want to kill the Tanner if he or she is revealed, or if you have a really good idea of who they are. Sure, the Tanner wins, but if you leave them alive, they have an outsize influence on the end of the game -- I mean, ultimately, I kinda decided who won -- and that's something the Village probably wants to avoid.

For my part, I should have done more to make myself a giant pain in the ass for you guys much earlier so you had no choice but to lynch me.


I'm not sure how you should have played it differently. In Town of Salem the Tanner equivalent needs to be lynched to win. Being killed by the night baddies doesn't trigger the win condition which is good in some ways because it means the only way the Tanner will work with them is out of complete spite towards the town or hope that the wolves will vote to hang them at the end.
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Postby Cronos » Wed Sep 02, 2015 11:25 am

Also wasn't there still a turn left that the wolves could have killed Snatch? Feel like Luke called things prematurely so they still could have followed through with their end of the bargain and won.
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Postby internetfriend » Wed Sep 02, 2015 11:57 am

Snatch wrote:I mean, ultimately, I kinda decided who won

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Postby Cronos » Wed Sep 02, 2015 1:04 pm

Snatch wrote:All I meant by that is that if I'd wanted to, I could have worked w/ feral and Kaputt to end the wolves.

I didn't, because there were no WCs in it for me, but the point is that anyone who doesn't have a pro-Villager agenda can really fuck up the endgame for the village, including the Tanner.


would feral and/or kaputt have believed you though
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Postby mcphee » Wed Sep 02, 2015 2:54 pm

For what it's worth, snatch, I actually asked Luke if we could kill you on the final night if we survived the final day (because, in theory, we had to make a kill to dominate the town - as the numbers after the final lynch vote were 3 villagers and 3 wolves). He said NOPE. I was in such a panic waiting for Luke to call it, because if you had changed your vote to junebug after gambra and I voted, it would have been all over for us.
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Postby mcphee » Wed Sep 02, 2015 2:55 pm

which, honestly, would have been hilarious and I was sort of half-half-hoping you'd do it
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Postby JUGLIFE » Wed Sep 02, 2015 5:00 pm

i wish there was an option for sucking off one villager per day
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Postby pinko » Wed Sep 02, 2015 5:03 pm

Same
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Postby pinko » Wed Sep 02, 2015 5:03 pm

Oops, wrong thread.
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Postby mcphee » Sun Sep 06, 2015 11:50 am

had a dream last night that Fox decided to run the next game and there were something like 80 players. He'd decided everyone would have a special role. I was "the baby" and I was killed by "ghost wolves" the first night.
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Postby feral » Tue Sep 08, 2015 5:34 pm

Let's, uh... play again :twisted:
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Postby feral » Tue Sep 08, 2015 5:34 pm

wrong thread, but the point still stands
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Postby internetfriend » Tue Sep 08, 2015 5:38 pm

or maybe we should play some goddamn salem
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Postby feral » Tue Sep 08, 2015 5:39 pm

I am not able to play any games with my HP Stream 13 (Blue). Sorry
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Postby internetfriend » Tue Sep 08, 2015 5:44 pm

If your computer can manage a web browser, it can manage salem
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Postby Alice » Tue Sep 08, 2015 10:04 pm

I too have been chomping at the bit waiting for Luke to have the patience to moderate another game. Since I curated that spreadsheet last game I know it's a fuckton of upkeep and maintenance to keep up with it all. I'll go ahead and throw it out there that if the next one is huge and he needs an additional person to help moderate it, I'd be down.
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