WWatergate (HPN Werewolf #19): Plumbers Caught!

[VHB]

I did rescind my vote for you, Iambic, for the record. LOG POSTING probably kept people from seeing it but it's on the last page.

Probably an empty/sentimental gesture, I don't think it's going to make a difference, but we know how I am about those things

[palmer eldritch]

suspensionbridge [12:54 PM]
I want to go back to the start and pretend I know nothing

[12:54]
That's what I did in Transylvania and papa John's

palmer_eldritch [12:54 PM]
do you think iambic is really good

[12:54]
he's smart enough to throw a wolf under the bus asap

suspensionbridge [12:54 PM]
I actually have no idea because idk why he's so sure of me

[12:55]
When even Luke thinks I could be a wolf

palmer_eldritch [12:55 PM]
yeah I couldn't figure out yesterday why he was so clear-headed about me

suspensionbridge [12:55 PM]
Well yesterday was because of me

[12:55]
He's been following me blindly

[12:55]
Hmm

palmer_eldritch [12:56 PM]
well he has made the case to me personally and to luke at least yesterday that I seemed like my villager self

[12:56]
cause he experienced it in rajada

suspensionbridge [12:56 PM]
Yeah that's a good argument

[12:56]
Although three different competent villagers thought you were evil

palmer_eldritch [12:56 PM]
but wolves love to be right about who's good

suspensionbridge [12:56 PM]
Yup

[12:57]
Wolves are always hesitant to say anything for certain unless it's that someone is good

palmer_eldritch [12:57 PM]
if there's another great player on the squad and we're sure it's not luke I'm worried about him

[12:57]
it could be surly, iambic, and two low profiles

suspensionbridge [12:57 PM]
Yeah

palmer_eldritch [12:57 PM]
or iambic could just be a smart villager here

[12:57]
it's on my mind tho

suspensionbridge [12:58 PM]
I mean yeah he could be

palmer_eldritch [12:58 PM]
god, blind trust though...

suspensionbridge [12:58 PM]
I'll look through my convos with him to see if there's any actual reason for him to trust me

[12:58]
Yup

palmer_eldritch [12:58 PM]
iambic hates not knowing things

suspensionbridge [12:58 PM]
Yup

palmer_eldritch [12:58 PM]
like HATES it

suspensionbridge [3:06 PM]
okay word

[3:06]
the more i think about iambic the more sus i think it is

palmer_eldritch [3:09 PM]
his play here reminds me so much of what he did in rajada 2 to luke when luke was under suspicion, though that was a different circumstance

[3:10]
it's a very smart thing to do as a wolf

[3:10]
it doesn't mean he is

[3:10]
but if there's someone on that squad that's high profile besides surly I bet on him

suspensionbridge [3:11 PM]
so he was asking me to explain why i trusted trask so much

[3:11]
like he didn't understand it

[3:11]
and hten he does it to me?

[3:11]
sorry i'm going through the conversationss

palmer_eldritch [3:11 PM]
I mean you guys have a good bond from playing in rajada 2

[3:11]
that could be why he jumps into the game and trusts you

[3:11]
but it doesn't feel right to me

palmer_eldritch [3:25 PM]
I'm thinking that iambic is the most critical scan here

[3:25]
clear that up

suspensionbridge [3:25 PM]
yeah i agree

palmer_eldritch [3:25 PM]
we can always kill TES, metersk, catullus

[3:25]
but I'd rather not kill iambic unless he's evil

suspensionbridge [3:25 PM]
i agree with that

[iambic]

if days zero through three didn't exist, I could understand accepting palmer's story here. but they do.

read the fucking thread.

[palmer eldritch]

bread was asking for your backchannel (STEAM! lol) because we suspected you dude

[VHB]

Oh good more logs.

http://forums.hipinion.com/viewtopic.php?p=5410959#p5410959

There's my retraction post, just to make sure people see it.

[palmer eldritch]

maybe the simplest explanation is that bread and I nailed you because we are pretty good at werewolf

[iambic]

bread was asking for your backchannel (STEAM! lol) because we suspected you dude

yes, I know someone "suspected" me and asked her to send them. that's why I sent them. I'll post them here, too, if people want. I have been 100% on the level with bread throughout this game about my feelings and suspicions. I'm sorry she put metagame trust ahead of the facts of this game.

[iambic]

maybe the simplest explanation is that bread and I nailed you because we are pretty good at werewolf

yes, you're so good at werewolf that you nearly got lynched on the first day and Luke (hey Luke, where are you hiding?) had to burn currency to pull you out.

[iambic]

also, kudos on injecting the idea that I was "blindly" trusting her:

iambic [11:26 AM]
also, goes without saying

[11:26]
if surly is good

[11:26]
you're in deep shit

[11:26]
I don't see how you could be evil and pull this off

[11:26]
but if you are, whatever, you deserve this madness

suspensionbridge [11:27 AM]
oh i know

[11:27]
hahah

[11:27]
i am certain on surly

suspensionbridge [7:19 PM]
did/do you really just trust me because you know i wouldn't play wolf this clumsily?

iambic [7:20 PM]
I wouldn't describe it as "clumsily"

[7:20]
it's more that I don't think you could be so much of a genius to build an elaborate case for palmer, back away from it, kill your beloved trask, and then turn on surly on a dime

[7:20]
it's too erratic and elaborate

suspensionbridge [7:21 PM]
ahah that's fair

[7:21]
so, surly was the one who told me to post the soundcloud info

iambic [7:21 PM]
also, I "trust" you up to the point that surly is revealed as plumber

suspensionbridge [7:21 PM]
oh yeah

[7:21]
i dig

surly was our best lead given how erratic you had been and how certain bread was. that's why I jumped on it. I was vote #2 in the entire game for the only confirmed plumber.

[iambic]

hey stakeout, buddy, the "I'm the jester, don't lynch me" act has been admirably sustained, but I miss your usual villager persona.

[palmer eldritch]

uh huh. and stakeout in the previous game led the charge on a wolf that had been scanned to gain cred. this also happened with wolves and the fuckles scan in the faculty. it's a smart move.

you were so quick to jump on the scan and vote for surly because you knew he was a wolf, of course.

[iambic]

it would certainly have been a smarter move than what you're attempting right now

[ecto]

this game rules

[palmer eldritch]

this game rules

agree

[iambic]

maybe palmer should stop leveraging insights from previous games and focus on this one, in which he is a lying-to-live plumber.

[iambic]

"Do I look like a guy with a plan??" - Heath Ledger, as The Joker (The Dark Knight, 2008)

[VHB]

Oh, fine

Stakeout

I wanna see what happens if we lynch the jester. I don't think it will make a W/L difference for the hotel guest or the plumbers.

[VHB]

You know me, always ready to help a tanner out.

[VHB]

this is indeed from AdamTrask

Should've done this when I mentioned it a couple pages back. But here's Trask's death tape. Maybe worth another listen.

Also, metersk? Do you still have that conversation log I gave you? Go ahead and put it up now if you want.

I could do it, but you don't seem too involved. If you feel like you haven't gotten to really play as much as you like, here's a chance to do something.

[Luke]

(hey Luke, where are you hiding?)

I'm right here.

palmer and I have different ideas of what the most actionable item is on our list.

palmer wants to confirm efreet as a plumber, strike that lookout iron while it's hot. I get it.

I however, knew you'll be putting in work. No slight to efreet, but he's played less, knows us less, probably not willing to go to this effort to sow confusion.

That's why job #1 for me is getting rid of you.

[iambic]

"going to this effort" here being posting some logs and pointing out some things that have been the case almost since the game's beginning

I'll take this as a compliment, but you could easily have hoodwinked me today

[palmer eldritch]

because I'm a reasonable guy, yeah I wanted to get the lookout on the seer but Luke has changed my mind, again

efreet

iambic

I wanted you scanned in the first place because you were either a dangerous wolf or a useful villager, hope that flatters you a bit as you head to the gallows

[Catullus]

bread still being suspicious of me is hilarious.

goddamn this game

[palmer eldritch]

the subpoena gallows, cause we don't lynch people at the watergate hotel

[iambic]

since most of the village is awol and letting the plumbers stunt off bread's death, I would ask people to remember who engineered my abrupt subpoena.

be assured I will be back later to complain more about all of this.

[VHB]

bread still being suspicious of me is hilarious.

goddamn this game

Cat, for what it's worth, I am certain you're a good guy this go-around.

[kit fox]

since most of the village is awol and letting the plumbers stunt off bread's death, I would ask people to remember who engineered my abrupt subpoena.

be assured I will be back later to complain more about all of this.

i mean yeah if you come up as a hotel guest in the end i think we'll all go back to palmer/luke. gotta subpoena to learn stuff in this game though.

[iambic]

wow, an actual reasonable response. ty, kit fox.

[Luke]

Wolves got quiet.

[Luke]

Sorry, wolf and jester got quiet.