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Postby Frank » Thu Feb 07, 2019 3:21 pm

how do you cite quotations that you literally reworded
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Postby Feech La Manna » Thu Feb 07, 2019 4:37 pm

jesus is this whole book like this

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Postby Feech La Manna » Thu Feb 07, 2019 4:37 pm

"asset" Chris Cillizza
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Postby death is my amigo » Fri Feb 08, 2019 12:27 am

Can a Journalist as Important as Jill Abramson Be a Plagiarist?

If he’s a poorly informed law professor, though, Sprigman is well suited to be an elite journalist. His defense of Abramson is the classic big-timer’s defense against evidence of plagiarism: she couldn’t be guilty of stealing other people’s work, because other people’s work doesn’t matter. What she duplicated were “basic facts”—which is an easy thing to say, after someone else has gone out and collected and organized those facts. The message is that the sentences Abrams stole weren’t good enough as writing to count as stolen property (though they were good enough to put down in a book as if they had been her own writing).
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The boilerplate or “basic facts” excuse is unconvincing—at best, it’s epistemological fraud, presenting someone else’s selection of facts as a sample of the writer’s own knowledge—but high-end journalists embrace it because it’s shaped by a structural truth: whether or not there are separate classes of writing, with separate value, there are definitely separate classes of writers.


btw, pareene correctly predicted her defense about as soon as this all came out:



about which scocca says:

One unclear point around Abramson’s plagiarism is exactly how many layers of other people’s work were involved. Erik Wemple of the Washington Post reported that in the acknowledgments of Merchants of Truth, Abramson wrote that an assistant “drafted portions of this book.” If she has to, she can always say she presented someone else’s writing as her own, without knowing that that person was passing off a third person’s writing as their own.

And that should be enough to settle it. Famous writers are factories, and a factory can always find somewhere to dump its mess. The little people just have to live with being dumped on.
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Postby endless dave » Fri Feb 08, 2019 3:28 pm

what a weird level of flippancy here. "Yeah, I did plagiarism but if I didn't, I would have had to think a little bit how to make it sound not so clunky so... [shurgs]"

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Postby Feech La Manna » Fri Feb 08, 2019 3:31 pm

tbh I still can't get over calling Cillizza an "asset"
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Postby endless dave » Fri Feb 08, 2019 3:36 pm

the Vox interview makes it clear that she either doesn't get what's wrong about plagiarism as an ethical consideration or she has a vague enough definition of it that's basically pointless

I guess it makes sense for someone who likely outsourced a lot of labor for the book to think that all she did was not add quotation marks in the right places. Like she's built a career or taking credit for other people's work so she must be so confused as to why are people so upset about she think is just lazy copy editing
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Postby surly » Fri Feb 08, 2019 6:09 pm

i got a lot of thoughts on this but i can't quite unpack em right now. long story short, her tenure at the NYT absolutely contributed to her belief in not attributing properly in what is essentially a rewrite of other people's work
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Postby Feech La Manna » Sun Feb 10, 2019 1:37 pm



Determined to media hit her way through it
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Postby Feech La Manna » Sun Feb 10, 2019 7:18 pm

I know Clara is an easy target but what in the fucking world is she doing at this point

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Postby delgriffith » Sun Feb 10, 2019 7:23 pm


lol
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Postby husbands » Sun Feb 10, 2019 8:47 pm

clara is unequivocally the worst
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Postby Legion » Mon Feb 11, 2019 10:19 pm



got shot down there last week after a first round of interviews, can't say I'm too sad

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Postby Big Oil » Tue Feb 12, 2019 1:48 am

lol great, cool!

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Postby Frank » Tue Feb 12, 2019 10:31 am

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Postby surly » Tue Feb 12, 2019 12:15 pm

Thank you, Bari.
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Postby Feech La Manna » Tue Feb 12, 2019 12:19 pm

The funniest thing about Bari is that out of control SJWs and Israel are literally the only things she cares about
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Postby surly » Tue Feb 12, 2019 12:20 pm

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Postby Feech La Manna » Tue Feb 12, 2019 12:23 pm

Be more well-rounded, like this guy

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Postby Frank » Wed Feb 13, 2019 1:23 pm

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Postby Feech La Manna » Wed Feb 13, 2019 1:26 pm

lol, that lady was behind the Katie Roiphe #metoo story as well

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Postby murray st. » Wed Feb 13, 2019 1:28 pm

Feech La Manna wrote:Be more well-rounded, like this guy



they hated him because he spoke the truth
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Postby saranclaps » Fri Feb 15, 2019 11:33 pm

it's relatively unimportant in the scheme of things but brooks barnes is bad at his job by even nyt standards.

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Postby Frank » Sat Feb 16, 2019 5:02 am

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Postby coop » Mon Feb 18, 2019 5:44 pm

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Postby Feech La Manna » Tue Feb 19, 2019 11:15 pm

lmao

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