Tarantino IX: Once Upon A Time In Hollywood

Health insurance rip off lying FDA big bankers buying
Fake computer crashes dining
Cloning while they're multiplying
Fashion shoots with Beck and Hanson
Courtney Love, and Marilyn Manson
You're all fakes
Run to your mansions
Come around
We'll kick your ass in

Postby kirito » Wed Aug 07, 2019 9:12 pm

killing your wife is fine as long as she was being loud and obnoxious while you were being chill as hell
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Postby Eyeball Kid » Wed Aug 07, 2019 9:16 pm

And yes, Tarantino HATED Natalie Wood and told Christopher Walken as much when the latter arrived on the set of Pulp Fiction.
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Postby Bananafish » Wed Aug 07, 2019 9:54 pm

fair enough I could’ve worded my post better

I just thought that by including that cliff backstory scene it created this weird dynamic that seems thematically at odds with the rest of the movie where one woman is allowed to live while the other has to die
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Postby The Producer » Wed Aug 07, 2019 10:44 pm

Bananafish wrote:I just thought that by including that cliff backstory scene it created this weird dynamic that seems thematically at odds with the rest of the movie where one woman is allowed to live while the other has to die


no it didnt, the movie wasnt about her in the way it was abt Tate (it's more about the Manson murderer women than his wife even) and the flashback is within a flashback and not Cliff's recollection but someone else's (Rick or Randy) imagining it based on the rumors/trial and sets up a moment of shock/doubt for Bruce Lee secondguessing his shittalk when someone mentions it to him and now it has more weight for us the audience than just as hearsay from Randy

It also contrasts with Cliff being up for the fight with Lee whereas (whether he killed her on purpose or the crescendoing wave sound made him shoot the harpoon gun ala Marvin in Pulp Fiction) she wasnt being "annoying" "loud" or "obnoxious" she was taunting him, calling him the boringest man and literally saying she wants to fight and he deflates from excitedly getting ready to go into the water to sitting still and unable to look at her directly - again, not saying that makes her deserve to die, but it's in contrast to how up he is to fight Lee and if he's telling the truth to Tex later then how he punched a cop, etc - it's complicating Cliff the way Rick has been complicated leaving Tate the only pure/innocent lead character
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Postby separator » Wed Aug 07, 2019 10:51 pm

please add a poll on whether he killed his wife, because i'm a definite no
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Postby The Producer » Wed Aug 07, 2019 10:54 pm

he killed her, it's just whether it's an accident or not

also it's not a 1:1 w/ Wood who drowned and wasnt shot with a harpoon anyway, he's borrowing tones of mystique not facts, Hal Needham's booze didnt need a buddy either, acid's for HIPPIES!
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Postby FourLegsGood » Wed Aug 07, 2019 11:28 pm

It's obviously meant to recall Wood but she's not a proxy and, in fact, I question whether the incomplete "flashback" we are watching is actually intended to be an accurate account or just Cliff imagining how others believe the scene went down. If he is supposed to have killed her, it feels glaringly incongruous with how his ethics and morality are demonstrated throughout the rest of the film. I can see how this is a sticking point for so many people and how this might be the biggest flaw in QT's dual revisionist history of Hollywood and indictment of the culture. I believe that its supposed to evoke the internal policing of major crimes within The Hollywood system while simultaneously fleshing out Pitt's hard-luck character and it can't do both without either unintentionally exonerating Wagner (which I don't imagine is QT's intent) or inadvertently blessing the incident as just some inevitable byproduct of Hollywood culture (which I hope it isn't). It's provocative, for sure, but it's definitely an unattended development in an otherwise well-honed project.
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Postby FourLegsGood » Wed Aug 07, 2019 11:32 pm

Like, the only way the boat scene works for me with the rest of the film is if Cliff is imagining a caricaturization of what others believe actually happened. That ties up the only major loose thread I felt within the story.
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Postby came to wreck » Fri Aug 09, 2019 3:07 pm

4 hour director's cut coming to netflix....
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Postby emotional fascism » Fri Aug 09, 2019 3:16 pm

came to wreck wrote:4 hour director's cut coming to netflix....


that's rad
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Postby loaf angel » Fri Aug 09, 2019 3:34 pm

kirito wrote:killing your wife is fine as long as she was being loud and obnoxious while you were being chill as hell


it's never confirmed he killed his wife ftr
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Postby someguy » Fri Aug 09, 2019 4:02 pm

apologies
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Postby Rumours » Sat Aug 10, 2019 7:24 am

absolutely guilty of not reading the thread before posting but...

anyone else find the ending as a sort of antithesis of Twin Peaks: The Return re: Laura's fate?
That somehow going back and course correcting an unspeakable trauma is just all hunky dory.

I guess that could be applicable to any of his revenge fantasies but just my immediate reaction the other night.
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Postby brian dennehy fan » Sat Aug 10, 2019 7:53 am

warming to scorched earth eyeball kid itt
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Postby OKterrific » Sat Aug 10, 2019 2:55 pm

mcwop23 wrote:no need for lame earnest dad posts
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Postby came to wreck » Sat Aug 10, 2019 4:35 pm

dam wish there was a thread of just miniature work now
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Postby spix et chicho » Sat Aug 10, 2019 4:41 pm

I was not totally convinced by this movie until the exact moment when the gates to the Polanski/Tate house swing open for Rick. something about that moment clinched it and tied the film's goals together in my mind in one instant, in a kind of last-minute Bressonian way
CIARA IS DEFIANTLY A MAN AND ITS DISGUSTING MY CUZIN WAS THROWING UP FOR 2 WEEKSM YUUUUUUUUCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCKKKKKKKKKKK PLEASE SIGN THIS B/C THATS JSUT HERENDOUZ
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Postby Sweet Gregory Pectin » Sat Aug 10, 2019 4:44 pm

spix et chicho wrote:I was not totally convinced by this movie until the exact moment when the gates to the Polanski/Tate house swing open for Rick. something about that moment clinched it and tied the film's goals together in my mind in one instant, in a kind of last-minute Bressonian way


same
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Postby Sweet Gregory Pectin » Sat Aug 10, 2019 4:46 pm

also rick calling the intruders's car a 'mechanical asshole' made me do the homer reacts to milhouse's date from the dating game smile
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Postby inmate » Mon Aug 12, 2019 3:32 am

finally saw this, really liked it. i was a little let down at first because i had heard it described as his closest thing to pulp fiction, but it turned out to be more like jackie brown than anything, which is fine by me but i was looking forward to hearing a few classic self-indulgent tarantino conversations about the details of life or whatever in the voices of these new characters. leo's scene with the little actor girl was one of my favorite parts of the movie. once i realized what it wasn't, i enjoyed it a lot more and i loved the ending, especially pitt on acid. i almost never see a movie twice in theaters but i might for this one now that i know what to expect.
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Postby kirito » Mon Aug 12, 2019 9:40 am

depressing fact: this is the first original IP to cross $100 million domestic this summer
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Postby Eyeball Kid » Mon Aug 12, 2019 9:51 am

The last non-franchise/sequel/remake to break the $100 million mark domestically? The Mule (Eastwood, 2018).
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Postby spix et chicho » Mon Aug 12, 2019 9:55 am

America loves mules.
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Postby OKterrific » Mon Aug 12, 2019 10:04 am

Eyeball Kid wrote:The last non-franchise/sequel/remake to break the $100 million mark domestically? The Mule (Eastwood, 2018).



on a related note, I just watched Jersey Boys which was exec produced by both Brett Ratner and Steve Mnuchin
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Postby Dinosaurboner » Mon Aug 12, 2019 11:47 am

Were the shots of Rick in the great escape him actually doing the film? Maybe a few days on set, then ultimately being fired? Or just his fantasy. I took his kind of snappiness with Olyphants character in that scene as signs he was actually deep in the production of Great Escape and something happened.
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Postby Buddy Glass » Mon Aug 12, 2019 12:28 pm

Dinosaurboner wrote:Were the shots of Rick in the great escape him actually doing the film? Maybe a few days on set, then ultimately being fired? Or just his fantasy. I took his kind of snappiness with Olyphants character in that scene as signs he was actually deep in the production of Great Escape and something happened.

I think he is basically lying about having never been on the film, which he perhaps was cast in and then fired from and replaced with McQueen after a few days/weeks. It feels like another nod to Hollywood lore about this or that person being cast and replaced, or turning down a role that became iconic, etc. How different the world might have been if only this or that.

Rick is basically saving face by downplaying his involvement in the film because he doesn't want to acknowledge having lost that part. You could say that these alternate castings are a sort of parallel to the alternate histories that Tarantino has been working through in Inglorious and Django. And how much the course of a life (and a culture) can hinge on some fluke thing like the Manson gang going to one house instead of another, etc.
What became of her? She lived, as she liked to say, off the kindness of gentlemen. I assume she’s dead.
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Postby deadbass » Tue Aug 13, 2019 11:58 pm

Whoa! This sucked!
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Postby loaf angel » Wed Aug 14, 2019 12:03 am

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Postby came to wreck » Wed Aug 14, 2019 12:15 am

is deadbass del?
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Postby The Fool on the Hill » Thu Aug 15, 2019 7:03 am

I don't know if this has been mentioned already but I don't think you can smoke acid, the compound would disintegrate.
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