The 2020 Presidential Election Thread

[villalobos]

love to see if folks

[my piano]

there is like a designated buttigieg mckinsey callout squad in this very thread

[coop]

https://www.predictit.org/markets/detail/3633/Who-will-win-the-2020-Democratic-presidential-nomination
Current betting odds
Liz 44%
Joe 19%
Bernie 13%
Mayor Pete 12%

[Feech La Manna]

Kamala under Yang and Hillary is pretty funny

[quinine]

my god, is someone raising a point that's already been made in this 1100 page thread

[quinine]

I get they're going after warren for a policy she copied from bernie just cuz she's the frontrunner but she also sure is less effective at defending it too, hmmm

[quinine]

like did her campaign decide the "literally every other halfways decent country in the world has made this work" rebuttal would just have her sounding too sandersian

wow it's been a minute since this thread was moving so slow I had to worry about post stacking

[Feech La Manna]

Who’s worse at running for President, Joe or Kamala?

Joe’s got a long history of it but Kamala is really trying hard to catch up

[Sissy Spacerock]

[quote="saranclaps"]

karl lagerfeld looks, all things considered, great

[ashtrayheart]

imagine typing "not endorsing is a technocratic move"

this is probably the lowest form of posting. if you don’t have anything to say, don’t post!

or post anyway i guess who am i the curator

[Lowercase Tea]

[surly]

imagine typing "not endorsing is a technocratic move"

this is probably the lowest form of posting. if you don’t have anything to say, don’t post!

or post anyway i guess who am i the curator

what i have to say is that statement is fucking nonsensical

[galactagogue]

I'm just asking questions

LOL. 99% chance this question gets little to no exposition in this article that i will not read.

[ashtrayheart]

imagine typing "not endorsing is a technocratic move"

this is probably the lowest form of posting. if you don’t have anything to say, don’t post!

or post anyway i guess who am i the curator

what i have to say is that statement is fucking nonsensical

hrm i think i know what you mean. i may have used the wrong word, but what i’m getting at is: i like these representatives because they seem to pursue policy based on the will of their constituents and their personal beliefs and have a level of integrity that seems fresh, and endorsing the candidate that aligns well with their purported political beliefs outright would continue that trend, whereas withholding that endorsement seems like a technical political move, a cynical strategy of which i am less than a fan! it certainly wouldn’t put me off them forever or anything and isn’t a total betrayal, but it is less cool.

[surly]

OK i see what you mean. but under that set of logic, why didn't they endorse sooner? one could argue that they endorsed this week as a calculated response to the fact that bernie's been relatively stagnant in national polls and he's coming off a rough couple of weeks that included a having a heart attack

be happy they endorsed him, but don't pretend it's not just as political as any other endorsement or non-endorsement in any campaign cycle

[galactagogue]

isn't the whole point of endorsements political? like do they have any non-political value?

[Klint]

Bernie is trying to be the President of the United Stares of America, everything is calculated and pragmatic because he wants to win.

[galactagogue]

really sick of seeing "Mayor Pete" can people just figure out how to spell his last name already

no.

[Bernie]

John Mayer Pete

[palmer eldritch]

you will call him Peter Paul Montgomery Buttigieg or face the banhammer

[Marx & Engels]

Lol

[palmer eldritch]

[gutenmorgan]

If anyone wants to be miserable I highly recommend reading the takes on last night from 6 centrist ghouls unearthed by the NYT: https://www.nytimes.com/2019/10/16/us/politics/democratic-debate-review.html

Senator Klobuchar had a great night again. She had it all: intelligence, humor, authenticity, relatability; she knew how to play offense without appearing mean or angry. She was even the first to mention Ohio! Her consistently excellent performances, along with those of Senator Booker and Andrew Yang, should make us all stop and wonder why the D.N.C. set up a debate process seemingly designed to reinforce the inevitability of the top few candidates while making sure they are attacked as much as possible before the general election.

[Marx & Engels]

Bernie's "meh" for +2.2 net favorability is Nate's version of an 8.2 no best new music

[palmer eldritch]

the changes in net fav are all pretty minor. beto, castro, and gabbard look kinda crappy. klobuchar had an effective night. pete's net fav change is actually the same as bernie yeah.

[villalobos]

really sick of seeing "Mayor Pete" can people just figure out how to spell his last name already

never

[coop]

[palmer eldritch]

the main effect would be, maybe klobuchar improving her chances of hitting the thresholds for the next debate. the other 3, probably toasted unless they get lucky on sampling.

[palmer eldritch]

and as a general trend, mayor pete starting to cement #4 status

[jalapeño ranch]

Bernie's "meh" for +2.2 net favorability is Nate's version of an 8.2 no best new music

I hate him. I hate Nate. Goddammit, Nate. Goddammit.